Will they fine us, imprison us, shut down our businesses?

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[–]aloris342 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think the only way to address this is to let it happen and let people see what happens when you eliminate the entire concept of womanhood as a sex-based category. Then document it. The problem is that I don't think we will be allowed to document it. Instances of women being harassed in public restrooms will be treated with "what proof do you have?" Journalists will step up to cover up the original identities of criminals, so that it will be impossible to track the sex divisions of various offenses. In fifteen years, the tables of height, weight, strength, and so on, will all have been "updated" to reflect that, wow, girls can get really tall!!!111! Tall girls are much more common than we thought! Women are so much faster than we thought! etc.

But I think trying to soften the effect will be counterproductive, because then people will think the changes are not harmful. Honestly I'm not really sure what to do about this.

[–]WildApples 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We cannot let that happen. The media and tech companies are all against us, so we will not be able to create a scandal and rally people around like we would have decades ago. What few incidents we might be able to cover in mainstream media will be written off as isolated incidents.

I think we win this by showing that is not the progressive dream that people think it will be. Although our primary concern is women's rights, I think the argument that will win the day is to show that this is not good for gay rights. The public who support this bill think they are championing gay rights. They do not understand how gender ideology is chipping away at gay rights. It is a hard argument to make with non-profits against us, but if each of use can reach enough people in our own networks, we might succeed.

[–]BEB 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I've been sitting here for the last two years or so trying to figure out why even women don't seem to be outraged by men in women's spaces.

Part of it, I think, is The Big Lie, which is that TiMs are all castrated, super-feminine homosexuals who are hunted like an endangered (but FABULOUS) species by Big Bad Men, just like women are.

Which all of us know isn't true (check out the parade of lovely laydees at WomenAreHuman.com ).

I do think once the full horror that the Equality Act lets ANY man into women spaces hits there will be push back, but that might be after it passes. In the meantime, I talk about it when I'm trying to alert other women.

However, I completely agree with you that in terms of trying to get through to the Equality Act's corporate sponsors, talking about how destructive it is to gay rights would be a good path. I myself will continue to mention the threat to women's sex-based rights/safety, privacy, dignity/sports.

[–]WildApples 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What you said, but also I think it comes from being sheltered and privileged. They are past the age of having to undress in front of other students in the locker room (That used to cause me such anxiety and that was when it was only girls!) and they don't have to worry about incarceration or living in a shelter. Consequently, the biggest risk of sexual violence they will face is in bathroom or dressing room attached to a business where other people may be around to help them. They don't have to worry as much about power differentials and being unable to escape.

I knew a man once who got busted for raping a young girl in his custody. She was a juvenile offender and he was the guard who was supposed to escort her to her hearing with the judge. Before he did so, he took her to the basement and raped her, knowing that she was vulnerable and people would be less likely to believe her because of her criminal offenses. Women are not thinking about what it would be like to be that girl and how important it would be to have a female guard in that instance. They are picturing themselves in a Nordstrom dressing room with an attendant a few feet away and the ability to leave freely whenever they feel like it.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's why I always talk about feMALE TSA agents and how if you don't accept a patdown you might not fly. And also, many women will go to the hospital at some point and even more into a nursing home - will they want a male attendant to bath them?

So unbelievable we have to worry about these things in the year 2021, when I'm guessing in the year 1921 women didn't have to worry about male nurses and carers, certainly not ones dressed like exaggerated caricatures of women.