LGBT Identification Rises to 5.6% of the US Population in Latest Estimate (Lesbians are decreasing % wise, while B & T are increasing)

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[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

youngsters in Gen Z are much less likely to have had any or much in the way of IRL sexual relationships at this point in their lives than members of previous generations did

I feel like a huge proportion of the bi crowd has discovered their interests solely through porn rather than any actual attraction to the same sex. They are more attracted to whatever objectifying fetish than to other human bodies. Although you can argue that for male heterosexuality this has always been the norm: men are attracted more to other men's caricatures of women than to actual women, to the point where most cannot even masturbate without the assistance of other men's fantasies.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

men are attracted more to other men's caricatures of women than to actual women, to the point where most cannot even masturbate without the assistance of other men's fantasies.

This might be true of some/many men who've grown up not in the RL world, but in artificial landscapes/environs saturated with images from advertising, pop culture and porn - but I don't think it's true of boys/men overall across time.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Even before porn was widespread men were jacking each other off about some twisted objectified notion of womanhood. They never saw women as human beings, and if anything, men across time have shown even more how much they despise women and how they think of them as subhuman breeding stock. They are very much in love with the idea of women as sex dolls, not women themselves, and this has always been the case.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree your portrayal fits some men, but I don't agree it has "always been the case" for all men in all cultures at all times in history. Lots of boys and men over the course of human history have been besotted by RL girls and women. And many have been envious and covetous of our bodies as well, which is a main reason "trans" today is such a big thing.

[–]adungitit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that men can fall in love with some objectified idea of womanhood doesn't mean they love women. And all cultures are patriarchal, men throughout history have all independently decided that their mothers and sisters are less worthy and able to do anything but childrearing. They all decided that women should be under their control.

As for the trans issue, men want to become women so they can turn into the objectified caricatures they've been trained to covet all their lives from a distance, women become men to be treated as human beings. It's bog-standard patriarchy, but large parts of GC pretend like the trans side has invented the whole concept and that anyone who doesn't believe in magical sex transformations is our friend, no matter how patriarchal they are.