US conservative women are out fighting for women's rights, why aren't we?

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[–]TheBeefBenson 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

"while women who believe women should be wives and mother only are out there fighting for all of our rights."

This a gross mischaracterisation of the modern day conservative position for most parts of the western world.

My mother was a conservative Christian women who set up our town's first and for many years the only abortion and pregnancy counselling service. Free to use for anyone. As it was UK law that all women who sought an abortion must be referred for counselling before and after the procedure, my mother dealt with all the abortions in a town of 300,000 people and the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the country. I don't think you could even imagine the number of women she helped. It was so many that she provided counselling for a number of my female friends.

My mother dedicated her life to giving women sexual health advice and support if they wanted an abortion. Although abortion was not something she felt was always the best option, and she dearly prayed to live in a world where it wasn't required, she felt it was her duty as a conservative and Christian to educate young people on how to have safe sex and to support women during pregnancy and abortion.

And you go and say she only believed women for good for being wives and mothers?

I'm so angry I'm not going to comment how I feel about your bigoted statements any further.

I suggest you take a look at some other points of view. Try listening to see conservative female youtubers like Lauren Chen. These women identify as conservative and they wouldn't agree with your statement at all.

[–]BEB[S] 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm the OP and I'm in the US - please see my title, which has "US" as its first word, and references to America throughout my original post.

I'm sorry that you thought I was referring to the UK. I did mention WoLF and Feminists In Struggle too, both American feminist groups.

As I said in another post, we in the US have a very different situation from the one in the UK. Here, many conservative women vehemently oppose abortion. Many Christian women do too. If I remember correctly, which I might not, I think the majority of American women oppose abortion. So again, the US and UK have totally different situations.

But I wasn't talking about abortion in any case. My post was about the Equality Act.

And again, this post was meant for Americans, and if you look at my posting history you can see that I am all for working with ALL women to save women's rights/sports/privacy, dignity and safety.

In fact, what inspired my original post was that I had just talked to a conservative women's group about holding an across-the-political-spectrum-women's- protest against the Equality Act.

I had a great chat with a woman whose views on just about everything else I probably would have disagreed with, but she and her conservative organization were all for a protest with whoever on "the Left" I could round up. She had a very, "Let's do it" attitude.

So I don't know how you got "bigoted" out of that, nor how you saw it an attack on your mother in the UK. I didn't know you existed, much less your mother, much less that she was an abortion activist, which again has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, so how am I "bigoted"?

But I would ask that we not launch ad hominem attacks on each other. We get enough of those from gender activists. Thanks!

[–]TheBeefBenson 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

No. You need to stop making gross caricatures because I sincerely doubt that these conservative women in the US actually prescribe to the belief of women only being of value as wives and mothers that you claim they do. Furthermore, it's clear that you see these beliefs as evidently and undoubtedly inherent to the conservative world view and that such fundamental tenants would apply to either side of the anglo-sphere.

Bigoted is an accurate remark to describe those who engage in rank political tribalism and are totally incapable of being able to fairly discuss the opinions of others without being disingenuous.

For all your talk of wanting to work with these women you seem to be pretty quick in referring to them as nothing more than deluded pond scum behind their backs.

The sheer snobbery and contempt you have have shown for these women is understanably enraging and you need to develop a more mature way of engaging with women as a group rather than taking any opportunity to slander and misrepresent them to make yourself feel superior.

Good day, Mam!

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OP again here:

Seriously, I said no such thing as "deluded pond scum," (anyone interested can read this thread and my posting history for my actual words) nor implied that I had anything less than admiration for the enthusiasm and hard work of conservative AMERICAN women fighting the US Equality Act. I have partnered with conservatives in the past, and am partnering with them now.

Nor did I make a "gross caricature" or anything close. I said one sentence that is quite true of some of the conservative American women fighting the Equality Act, the US Equality Act, not the UK Equality Act: some of the AMERICAN women fighting it think that women should be wives and mothers.

I had just got off the phone with one when I typed the OP.

And in my posting history, you can see that I have called out the Democrats over and over and over and over.

But I won't waste my time, because, like every other AMERICAN woman, I could be about to lose my rights via the US Equality Act, so I need to focus on stopping it.

I would just ask that you refrain from ad hominem attacks, which we've successfully kept off this board. Thanks.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, TheBeefBenson - I didn't realize that you were a man.

I just looked at your posting history because I was baffled as to why you completely misrepresented what I said (I'm the OP), but now I understand that you are coming at feminism, and at women's relations with each other, from a male perspective.

Anyway, this is a forum for women. I myself don't mind men on it, but some women do - so perhaps you should identify yourself as male before posting? I think that would be very helpful.

I still have no idea how you got 9 up votes, because nothing I said in the OP, which was about the US Equality Act and how conservative AMERICAN women were out there effectively fighting it, had pretty much anything to do with your reply, which was about your Christian mother abortion activist in the UK.

Oh well. But I think many of us would appreciate it if males identified themselves, because that way we would know that the comment was from a man's perspective.

And also, this forum has been really good about no personal attacks (thanks, Mods!) so please respect that, especially as a male guest. Attack the argument please, not the poster. Thanks!!