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[–]ColoredTwice 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh, so that is who it was. A week "as woman" and already mansplaining oppression of women to women?

she

He.

It is so racist to say that black women are manly and that if they are considered women, then men can be women too.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was using "she" ironically. I will never call a man "she" Never.

[–]LilianH 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Forced teaming. This guy is saying that 5 mins after transitioning he is the equivalent of women who are mocked for racist sexist stereotypes.

[–]adungitit 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

A lot of male trans people that seem on the surface to be allies are even worse misogynists than the liberals; they generally believe that they have a ladybrain because they engage in gender stereotypes and that said ladybrain and the resulting gender performance, plastic surgeries and artificially induced hormonal imbalance make them "real women", while the "transtrenders" are just fake posers. It's not about women's rights for them at all, it's just about stupid gender validation as usual. I will give them that their position at least has some consistency and logic compared to the liberal "gendur is wuteva u want hun 😘", but it all rests on the premise that a ladybrain makes a woman.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

A lot of male trans people that seem on the surface to be allies are even worse misogynists than the liberals

I think you might have meant to say something more like

A lot of male trans people that some of us thought or assumed to be allies based on surface impressions are even worse misogynists than the liberals

Many people have seen what these guys are all about from the get-go. These fellas have always been men's rights activists disguising their misogyny in dresses and makeup for the purpose of advancing the cause of male supremacy and unbridled male libertinism. They've been engaging in intentional entryism, toxic mimicry, cultural appropriation, invasion, colonization of/into all things associated with, and meant for females, for many decades. Their dressing up in women's clothing is just another kind of male dominance display.

[–]adungitit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

There are some who legitimately seem like they care about women's rights and display awareness of radical feminist issues. The problem is that once you do even a bit of digging, ladybrains always come up eventually and their opposition is really based on those other men not being "real trans" like they are, with "real ladybrains". Then you realise this is all just another gender validation game for them and that they don't care about women at all.

Also, GC would do better if they recognised femininity for the red flag that it is, in both trans-identified men and women.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sorry, I've obviously not made my point clear. My bad. You say

There are some [TIMs] who legitimately seem like they care about women's rights and display awareness of radical feminist issues.

Which strikes me as a repeat of your earlier claim that

A lot of male trans people that seem on the surface to be allies are even worse misogynists than the liberals

The point I was trying to make is that these sorts of statements would be far more accurate if you added "to me" or "to some" after "seem." You're confusing what you and some other persons believe, assume, think about these men to be inherent characteristics of these men that all observers will and do interpret in exactly the same way.

BTW, I agree that

GC would do better if they recognised femininity for the red flag that it is, in both trans-identified men and women.

Which is why I objected to your initial claim that a lot of TIMs who ape sex stereotypes associated with the opposite sex

seem on the surface to be allies [of women and women's rights]

These guys might seem, or on the past seemed, that way to you and to others, but they don't seem or always have seemd that way to everyone.

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Really? Your entire complaint is that I didn't say "to some people" after "seemed"?

Really?

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, it's not a "complaint" directed at you personally. All my posts are as much for the lurkers and other posters who might read them as for the individual I'm responding to.

I'm trying to make clear the importance of being aware that what we ourselves as individuals perceive about others - and believe to be true of them - is not necessarily what everyone else perceives. Coz there's often a big difference between signals and information that other people are actually putting out, and can be presumed to be evident to everyone, and the signals and messages that we as individuals only think other people are putting out and we then perhaps mistakenly attribute to them.

These are distinctions that are centrally important to understanding how the world and human relations work, and how our own minds work. But sadly, these distinctions are lost on too many today. Coz in many schools, lessons that used to be taught early on - such as always run your perceptions by other people to see if they too see what you see, and don't assume your own impressions represent a/the general or universal norm - are not being taught any more.

These distinctions are also crucially important for girls and women to keep in mind when it comes to the perceptions we have about boys and men and the assumptions we make about male motives and behavior. Female socialization has taught many of us to think and assume the best of men, and to make excuses for them, which causes many of us not to see what other people can see. Which puts many girls and women in danger - and nowadays is also helping to put women's rights at risk.

Honestly, I'm not kvetching just for the helluva it. Sorry to have rankled you.

[–]linda_senora 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I cannot believe I used to watch this guy's videos (only two, mind you).

I recall in one of said videos he mentioned being bisexual, willing to date trans identified males, and giving blowjobs to said trans individual(s). I distinctly remember his opinion about 'mouthfeel'.

I wonder how many trans identified males are bisexual and how many think being trans is 'better' or gives them more 'clout' than being bisexual.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I know, one video he made on male abuse felt like he was telling my story albeit him being a dude. I remember sharing it to some of my friends because he described so well the subtle way abuse begins and how you begin to feel you deserve it. And then I remember reading some comments on contrapoints about how PTube wanted to get with him but contras now a transbian and only wants to date transbians. I wonder if this transition has anything to do with that lol

[–]linda_senora 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Transbians dating and harassing other transbians is okay.

They just need to leave lesbians alone.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

for real

[–]BEB[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

In other words, men dating men. And because they're both wearing dresses they feel that they've reinvented the wheel or something...

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Exactly it's wild. The same thing for that one dude Hunter from Euphoria he's dating a mtf model. I can't wait 30 years into the future when hopefully everyone peaks and they do studies on why this has been happening in such high numbers. I know we have some ideas but it would be cool to see actual studies on it.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Historians have made parallels between other times of social contamination or mass delusion or whatever it's termed, so gender madness isn't completely unprecedented.

However, the amount of money being spent by the gender lobby globally rewriting laws, and re-educating children and capturing politicians, institutions, the media, universities, etc., is unprecedented.

It's incredibly sinister and will not end well for women and our children of both sexes unless we ourselves stop it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't even think about that thank you now I have some reading to do. Yeah I agree, I get so much hope watching radfem youtube videos but then I go on tiktok and seeing so many women bragging about the abuse they receive from men I wonder if we ever really can create change. Hopefully we can and someday I'll try to do my part too.

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can start with the satanic panic in the US, because that was relatively recent.

Whatever nefarious forces managed to turn 2nd Wave feminism, in which women across the color and socio-economic spectrum came together to fight for our rights, into women bragging about their abuse on video, deserves some kind of award for evil.

Thank you for starting to learn and for considering helping to turn back this demonic tide.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am so, so, SO sick of seeing mostly white TRAs use the history of black women being described as 'masculine' as a defense for why we should allow men to call themselves female.

when women’s public toilets were first built in London (against a lot of sexist backlash!) they were for upper class cis abled white ladies ONLY. Goddamn bathroom cops have been policing femininity since the beginning!

Only having (limited) facilities that exclude poor women and women of color has literally nothing to do with the cops 'pOLiciNG fEmINniNITy' and everything to do with racism and classism.

Black women are called unfeminine because many of us don't possess white features. I'd wager this is less about us being seen as 'masculine' and more about us being seen as 'apes', 'animalistic', or 'undainty'. Which again, is a product of racism, specifically the idolization of Eurocentric beauty standards.

Clearly he doesn't know that many people calling black women 'masculine' aren't Cishet White Heteronormative Colonials or whatever they call dissenters nowadays, it's black men. It's black men who I've heard claim black women are too masculine nowadays because we're self sufficient in many ways and no longer 'need' them. For years I've seen black men paint black women's independence and strength as 'masculine' because it makes them look bad. These are products of misogyny, they are in no way comparable to trans bs.

South Asian women getting made fun of for having body hair is yet another symptom of misogyny, of a society that would rather burn itself to the ground rather than teach young girls their bodies are fine the way they are.

People turn trans bodies into canvasses for them to paint their lurid, paranoid fantasies just like they do to the bodies of people of colour. It’s all the same shit.

Except it isn't. People seeing African Americans as less than human and comparing us to monkeys has no overlap between women who see men as a threat, given the never ending statistics of men's predatory and violent behavior against women. Not to mention the physical strength differences between men and women. (there are no strength differences between races, might I add).

Using yet another marginalized group as a shield to hide behind is not a good look at all. And he did this during Black History Month. What a piece of shit. These comparisons make me so livid.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As I mentioned in another thread, the NAACP supports the Equality Act; maybe we should collect trans activists racists tweets and send them to the NAACP? There are so many...

[–]BEB[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

BBC's LGBT correspondent, Ben Hunte, a black man, interviewed Philosophy Tube AKA "Abigail" Thorn.

Tweeter has a good question for Hunte:

Did you ask why Abigail seems to think black women are thought of as "mannish"?

https://twitter.com/BettySea_/status/1360307394908217346

BTW: Philosophy Tube is now calling himself a "Geordie Actress" on Twitter.

[–]oatcake 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Not meaning to sound like a gatekeeper or anything (philosophy grad) but who is this Philosophy Tube person whose name keeps popping up?

[–]BEB[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I had no idea who he was either but I guess he's very well-known in certain circles; all i can say is that post "coming out" as a "woman" he seems like a real jerk.

[–]oatcake 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No doubt! Just curious if he has any sort of qualification in the field.

[–]BEB[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This truly seems to be the age of narcissist worship - I have no time for narcissists, but it seems that others easily fall under their spell. Like this buffoon - I'm guessing he was as insufferable as a "man" as he is LARPing as a "woman."

[–]TheBeefBenson 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Philosophy Tube went trans?! Fucking lol.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This tweet from Thorn guy illustrates all the problems with using the passive voice to suggest that what some people do is what all people do, and with pretending that the perceptions and behaviors of certain individuals = the perceptions and behaviors of the whole human race.

Thorn said:

Black women get called mannish and aggressive, south Asian girls get belittled for having hair on their faces

When what he really meant was

Some racist, misogynistic and regressively sexist people like me call Black women mannish and aggressive, and belittle south Asian girls for having hair on their faces