OVARIT SUCKS

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[–]akkordeonplayer[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Most of the categories overlap... and I know one poster mentioned in the thread I had started that her post on "women" was moved for being in the "wrong circle"--- this was after someone told her it was the "miscellaneous" circle.

It's ridiculous to have to ask permission from every mod in every possible circle to inquire as to which "circle" your post is allowed to be in. I think my post could have been applicable to GC, as the tactics used on the women mentioned are almost identical to some of the "scenarios" the gender extremists love to dream up about what they want to do to "terfs".

I wasn't a "new" poster, either. Many women, I'm sure, just move on to different sites and/or don't bother posting anything new after getting their threads deleted.

[–]alttrawl 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's ridiculous to have to ask permission from every mod in every possible circle to inquire as to which "circle" your post is allowed to be in.

Of course, read the sidebar first. If your post still gets removed for being in the wrong category, isn't it better figure out why?

Most of the categories overlap...I think my post could have been applicable to GC, as the tactics used on the women mentioned are almost identical to some of the "scenarios" the gender extremists love to dream up about what they want to do to "terfs".

That's like saying it's a feminism board so you can post in any of the feminism circles. It's more important to ask what properties does this circle have that the other doesn't. Process of elimination questions I'd ask myself before posting on gender critical vs. women's liberation are

1) Is this unequivocally GC? i.e. ACLU declares TWAW

2) Does this specifically mention gender critical content in a larger context? i.e. censorship article mentioning gender critical or someone who has expressed gc views is now being attacked

3) GC discussions

All other feminism goes in women's liberation. I don't know what your post was, but perhaps if you framed it as a discussion where you pointed out why this was GC related rather than posting an article where the connection is stronger to another circle it would have passed. If it's too tangentially related to GC, i.e. a TRA appears in an article but it's not about gc, I would post it as discussion instead of the article.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In my view, the slicing and dicing of categories based on what some might consider minutiae or at least ill-defined criteria that you're doing and arguing for in this particular post only illustrates the problem with the categories you are championing. Again, that's just in my view.

But then I am from an older generation when all feminism was, and was assumed to be, inherently critical of what today is known as gender ideology or just plain gender - and when criticism and dismantling of sex stereotypes (aka "gender") was seen as essential to women's liberation.

Moreover, again in my view and only in my view, the way ovarit is set up discourages - even prohibits - thinking and posting in a "big picture" way that seeks to find and explore connections between phenomena that might appear to be separate at first glance when looked at superficially but which are actually linked. I've always been a big picture kind of thinker attuned to how multiple elements and forces shape our lives, and I've always been very interested in history and understanding how the complex forces shaping us in the now came to be - and how we're all products of the past as much as the present. As a result, I don't think ovarit is a place for me.

I wouldn't have started a thread saying this, coz I have no wish to to badmouth ovarit - and coz most internet forums are not places for people with my particular kind of thinking and posting pattern. I don't take that personally. Nor do I take umbrage at ovarit's setup. To each her own. I only bring this up here and now coz someone else started a thread about it, and you have kindly taken the time to try to explain ovarit's categories and to say

If your post still gets removed for being in the wrong category, isn't it better figure out why?

It doesn't take a big leap in imagination to wonder and fear that there might be a link between removing posts "for being in the wrong category" and removing them coz they contain "wrong think" and might have been made persons of "the wrong sort."

[–]akkordeonplayer[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Moreover, again in my view and only in my view, the way ovarit is set up discourages - even prohibits - thinking and posting in a "big picture" way that seeks to find and explore connections between phenomena that might appear to be separate at first glance when looked at superficially but which are actually linked. I've always been a big picture kind of thinker attuned to how multiple elements and forces shape our lives, and I've always been very interested in history and understanding how the complex forces shaping us in the now came to be - and how we're all products of the past as much as the present.

This is a great way of putting it. The thread I created (that was deleted) was an article could have been linked to GC in that this same political entity that is torturing a particular minority group of women was Tweeting about how they were "re-educating" those same women in terms of their "gender ideology" just a few weeks prior. The manner of which these same people are torturing these women also echos what trans extremists fantasize about doing to "terfs". It's not as if the article was completely unrelated to gender extremism.

It doesn't take a big leap in imagination to wonder and fear that there might be a link between removing posts "for being in the wrong category" and removing them coz they contain "wrong think" and might have been made persons of "the wrong sort."

THIS also, particularly at this moment in time- women are being censored for the most minor "infractions" on various platforms. Deleting entire threads for being slightly off topic seems self-defeating when one reflects on what the larger end goal of the entire website/platform is. Is the end goal to place information in perfectly contained bubbles, or is it meant to educate women about what's going on in the world, and to give them a voice and a means for sharing information?

[–]alttrawl 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The thread I created (that was deleted) was an article could have been linked to GC...It's not as if the article was completely unrelated to gender extremism.

If the source material itself isn't clearly gc to begin with and you don't frame it as a discussion where you point out the less than obvious connection as you have here, then it may be removed. I'm sure if you posted a discussion where you linked the article and wrote your reasoning it would have passed. It's unfortunate you weren't able to see the sidebar on mobile. Yes, the mod who replied to me did come off a little curt when I asked why my post didn't meet the criteria, but I didn't take it personally. I'm sure they're busy removing trolls. It's fine that you dislike the site format and prefer saidit instead but most people want this kind of site format. Originally, these were separate subreddits that were all banned together.

THIS also, particularly at this moment in time- women are being censored for the most minor "infractions" on various platforms. Deleting entire threads for being slightly off topic seems self-defeating when one reflects on what the larger end goal of the entire website/platform is.

Well, it's also important to maintain an orderly site so users can have some certainty that when they click gc they'll get gc discourse and not discussions about women's healthcare. If you try hard enough, anything in women's liberation can be related to gc, it depends on the angle e.g. posting an article about women being misdiagnosed for a certain condition without an obvious connection vs. a discussion containing a link to the article that includes your writeup of why this is relevant