Ovarit is just as guilty of random censorship as reddit. What happened?

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[–]purrvana 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

Hey, I saw your post and upvoted it, and I upvoted your censorship comment too because I thought it was bullshit that your comment was deleted. It wasn't uncivil (or whatever their excuse was).

I've been censored on Ovarit before for the dumbest reason. There was a post asking "why would people be pro-life anyway?" so I shared some reasons why people are pro-life (I've watched a lot of youtube videos about both sides), and I had my comment deleted for "sharing conservative talking points." It was like - wtf?? - the post was literally asking for the conservative position, so I shared it. And when I brought this up, they said some of the medical information was "misinformation"... okay, it wasn't (the medical info could be found on .gov sites), but if they thought it was misinformation, why not reply with reasons debunking it instead of just censoring it completely?? That's called having a civilized conversation. But no, they went the censorship route.

Anyway, they're just as guilty of groupthink and censorship as other places. This is why I prefer saidit.

[–]peregrine_throw 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You most likely were answering an obviously rhetorical question and came across as justifying an anti-choice stance with a list of reasons a pro-choicer would already know (which is why they're pro-choice to begin with). Like ex-r/gc, ovarit has it written in their rules: "against this rule to promote misogynist policies or practices which are harmful to women. This includes the promotion of prostitution, pornography, paid surrogacy, BDSM, and restricting reproductive rights."

Both boards are to discuss rf topics, or discuss topics from an rf pov, NOT debate with ideologies (as surely your post is not the first nor last) it is against. Same reason why r/gc had a separate r/gcdebatesqt. To keep it focused, not be filled with threads/discussion constantly having to defend itself from bait debates/attacks ad nauseum, which is also a common trolling strategy malicious non-rf posters would use (not referring to you) to derail communities. Like how genderists infiltrate women's groups to derail its original focus and shift it to trans-pandering, which eventually dissolves the group. Surely you are aware how TRAs and MRAs are already violently salivating over strategies on how to eliminate the very young ovarit.

It's member/forum management, nothing malicious, which is what made r/gc better than most "feminist" subs. A good thing, imo.

Edit: When I tire of my new twitter account, I'll head over to ovarit.

[–]purrvana 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm 95% certain it wasn't rhetorical based on the context, but your reasoning makes sense.

I wonder if I'd get my comment removed for saying birth control can lead to a higher risk of a stroke - this is in line with what I shared about abortion (I said multiple abortions can lead to an increased risk of incompetent cervix which can lead to preterm miscarriage). I wonder if they'd treat the birth control information as "restricting reproductive rights" too. Hmm, maybe I'll keep that in my back pocket and bring it up over there one day.

Still, a woman's discussion board removing (well documented) medical info about women's procedures seems scummy.

[–]peregrine_throw 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No doubt medical information would be welcomed, but within an appropriate context or sub like health/medical or something (not familiar what subs they have currently). There's a difference between appearing as a "weapon" against being pro-choice, and bringing it up as an aspect of healthcare concern for women. In the ex r/gc, we had posts like that and along the lines of why men should bear equal respnsibilty on the matter, no problem.

Give them some latitude, especially as mods are putting in time and effort managing the space for free.

[–]purrvana 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Understandable. I didn't mean to imply that I'd antagonize the mods, I'm sure their jobs aren't easy. It's just annoying that only certain conversations are allowed in certain spaces, and that the rules aren't necessarily applied consistently. After being censored once for a dumb reason, it just makes me less likely to engage - and I'm sure OP agrees. It's hard to have a nuanced conversation when you're removed for wrongthink. Anyway, to each their own.

[–]peregrine_throw 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't mean to say you desire to antagonize the mods. It's cool, I understand how it can bum you out, but give them the benefit of the doubt that they're not simply power-tripping and that it's for "wrongthink". There's purpose to why they do what they try to do. Leave the community as an "all-think" you end up with something unfortunate like reddit's r/feminism or twox. I mentioned the voluntary work more to point out they can't do a thorough analysis for each reported complaint, then imagine a long queue on their modmail. Evals need to be as quick as possible. Don't take it personally, don't let a few hiccups turn you off from interacting with other radfems. Mods are just trying to keep it as focused as possible in a way they're capable of. Cheers.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

give them the benefit of the doubt that they're not simply power-tripping and that it's for "wrongthink". There's purpose to why they do what they try to do. Leave the community as an "all-think" you end up with something unfortunate like reddit's r/feminism or twox

Reddit, and especially twox doesnt allow "all thoughts", they are both carefully curated, in the case of twox including some pretending men moderators.

IF the only way ovarit can stand is by obsessive micromanagement of EVERY opinion, then it doesn't deserve to.

they can't do a thorough analysis for each reported complaint, then imagine a long queue on their modmail. Evals need to be as quick as possible.

There's only one thing that non-biased, non-powerhungry mods need to do: "is this illegal"?

I shed NO sympathy for overactive nancies who get off to the ideas of their own personal mandate SILENCING other's opinions whom they don't like for whatever reason. That's NOT speech and thats doubly NOT feminism.

Save your boot licking for the pretending males who have successfully silenced women on reddit.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a difference between appearing as a "weapon" against being pro-choice, and bringing it up as an aspect of healthcare concern for women.

There are open debates, or there are dictated debates. Only one.

mods are putting in time and effort managing the space for free.

If the mods don't want to volunteer to silence disagreeing women's legal speech, then they are free to quit.

[–]ShieldMaiden 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure it would be fine, I've seen it acknowledged on Ovarit more than once that bc pills have a tonne of horrible side-effects including making many women suicidal, and how the bc pill has had very few improvements since it came out (and other similar criticisms of the medical establishments treatment of women/neglect of studying female anatomy/studying the effect of drugs on female physiology and only focusing on male bodies as the "default human"). There's a lot to criticize about "the pill", plenty of feminists know it and are the ones leading the criticism.

[–]akkordeonplayer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just deleted my account on there.

I questioned why posts get deleted for being in "the wrong circle" and give the OP no option to move the post to the "preferred circle". The whole post with a all the likes, upvotes, and great comments just gets nuked. Happened to me a few times. THIS time I was really pissed off because someone who questioned my criticism of this phenomenon posted the EXACT same article I did on the same day my "wrong circle" post was nuked.

I got attacked by mods, they insinuated I was stupid and/or a "rule breaker", or that I was idiotic for making any criticism. I'm sure I'm not the only woman who's been discouraged from posting there because our threads have been deleted for nonsensical reasons. I mean, what is "rad-femmery" vs "gender critical" vs "woman" vs "women's liberation"? All of those categories sound like they overlap when you're forced to "pick a circle" while posting a new thread on mobile.

I don't need that in my life... it's bad enough being a woman on the internet without having to deal with "holier than thous" and their bizarre rules and vague categories.

Hell, even Kiwi Farms can relocate a post to an appropriate thread-- they don't just DELETE the whole post.