Ovarit is just as guilty of random censorship as reddit. What happened?

submitted by JustWhy from (self.GenderCritical)

I was so excited to find Ovarit. I've been enjoying reading and posting. And today I found out they will just remove comments and posts for no reason.

There was a really crappy meme presenting a white woman as the TRA against all POC. Imo that's completely false and divisive and honestly just racist.

So that's what I said. I said it was divisive, false and I know plenty black TRAs. My comment was deleted with no explanation.

Then I made a post titled "Nice censorship Ovarit", detailing what happened and saying that this is wrong and this is how GC will eat itself from the inside. The post was instantly deleted.

I'm so done. They are just like the TRAs. No rationality if you don't toe the line.

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[–]BEB 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have watched in dismay as what I suspect are outside forces try to divide GC feminism by stirring up racial antagonism.

As someone who was around for 2nd Wave feminism, it also seems to me that the history of feminism is being deliberately rewritten by these same outside forces for the same end - to prevent women of all colors from uniting to fight for our rights.

This is the same kind of revision that happened to gay history, which has now been rewritten as TiMs threw the first brick at Stonewall and thus single-handedly started the gay rights movement, which was not what happened at all.

Gays had been building a rights movement for long before Stonewall, and while gays tolerated transgenders (who weren't called transgenders back then IIRC) they were not integral to the gay rights movement. In fact, transgenders only (very deliberately) latched on to gay rights in the 90s.

Similarly, far from being an all-white movement, 2nd Wave feminism had a number of prominent leaders who are what are now referred to as "Women of Color" and yet 2nd Wave Feminism is now constantly referred to sneeringly as "white feminism." It was not.

And now Trans Demands Activists especially try to dismiss GC feminism as "white feminism" knowing that during the age of Black Lives Matter that will make GC feminism appear to be the part of the power structure that needs to be fought.

All to say that as a part-white person, I hope that GC feminsm doesn't fall for the Divide & Conquer tactics our enemies are using to discredit us and that we unite across racial lines like 2nd Wave Feminism did in real life.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just want to clarify that the post above reflects what happened in the US.

[–]purrvana 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (9 children)

Hey, I saw your post and upvoted it, and I upvoted your censorship comment too because I thought it was bullshit that your comment was deleted. It wasn't uncivil (or whatever their excuse was).

I've been censored on Ovarit before for the dumbest reason. There was a post asking "why would people be pro-life anyway?" so I shared some reasons why people are pro-life (I've watched a lot of youtube videos about both sides), and I had my comment deleted for "sharing conservative talking points." It was like - wtf?? - the post was literally asking for the conservative position, so I shared it. And when I brought this up, they said some of the medical information was "misinformation"... okay, it wasn't (the medical info could be found on .gov sites), but if they thought it was misinformation, why not reply with reasons debunking it instead of just censoring it completely?? That's called having a civilized conversation. But no, they went the censorship route.

Anyway, they're just as guilty of groupthink and censorship as other places. This is why I prefer saidit.

[–]peregrine_throw 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

You most likely were answering an obviously rhetorical question and came across as justifying an anti-choice stance with a list of reasons a pro-choicer would already know (which is why they're pro-choice to begin with). Like ex-r/gc, ovarit has it written in their rules: "against this rule to promote misogynist policies or practices which are harmful to women. This includes the promotion of prostitution, pornography, paid surrogacy, BDSM, and restricting reproductive rights."

Both boards are to discuss rf topics, or discuss topics from an rf pov, NOT debate with ideologies (as surely your post is not the first nor last) it is against. Same reason why r/gc had a separate r/gcdebatesqt. To keep it focused, not be filled with threads/discussion constantly having to defend itself from bait debates/attacks ad nauseum, which is also a common trolling strategy malicious non-rf posters would use (not referring to you) to derail communities. Like how genderists infiltrate women's groups to derail its original focus and shift it to trans-pandering, which eventually dissolves the group. Surely you are aware how TRAs and MRAs are already violently salivating over strategies on how to eliminate the very young ovarit.

It's member/forum management, nothing malicious, which is what made r/gc better than most "feminist" subs. A good thing, imo.

Edit: When I tire of my new twitter account, I'll head over to ovarit.

[–]purrvana 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm 95% certain it wasn't rhetorical based on the context, but your reasoning makes sense.

I wonder if I'd get my comment removed for saying birth control can lead to a higher risk of a stroke - this is in line with what I shared about abortion (I said multiple abortions can lead to an increased risk of incompetent cervix which can lead to preterm miscarriage). I wonder if they'd treat the birth control information as "restricting reproductive rights" too. Hmm, maybe I'll keep that in my back pocket and bring it up over there one day.

Still, a woman's discussion board removing (well documented) medical info about women's procedures seems scummy.

[–]peregrine_throw 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No doubt medical information would be welcomed, but within an appropriate context or sub like health/medical or something (not familiar what subs they have currently). There's a difference between appearing as a "weapon" against being pro-choice, and bringing it up as an aspect of healthcare concern for women. In the ex r/gc, we had posts like that and along the lines of why men should bear equal respnsibilty on the matter, no problem.

Give them some latitude, especially as mods are putting in time and effort managing the space for free.

[–]purrvana 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Understandable. I didn't mean to imply that I'd antagonize the mods, I'm sure their jobs aren't easy. It's just annoying that only certain conversations are allowed in certain spaces, and that the rules aren't necessarily applied consistently. After being censored once for a dumb reason, it just makes me less likely to engage - and I'm sure OP agrees. It's hard to have a nuanced conversation when you're removed for wrongthink. Anyway, to each their own.

[–]peregrine_throw 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't mean to say you desire to antagonize the mods. It's cool, I understand how it can bum you out, but give them the benefit of the doubt that they're not simply power-tripping and that it's for "wrongthink". There's purpose to why they do what they try to do. Leave the community as an "all-think" you end up with something unfortunate like reddit's r/feminism or twox. I mentioned the voluntary work more to point out they can't do a thorough analysis for each reported complaint, then imagine a long queue on their modmail. Evals need to be as quick as possible. Don't take it personally, don't let a few hiccups turn you off from interacting with other radfems. Mods are just trying to keep it as focused as possible in a way they're capable of. Cheers.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

give them the benefit of the doubt that they're not simply power-tripping and that it's for "wrongthink". There's purpose to why they do what they try to do. Leave the community as an "all-think" you end up with something unfortunate like reddit's r/feminism or twox

Reddit, and especially twox doesnt allow "all thoughts", they are both carefully curated, in the case of twox including some pretending men moderators.

IF the only way ovarit can stand is by obsessive micromanagement of EVERY opinion, then it doesn't deserve to.

they can't do a thorough analysis for each reported complaint, then imagine a long queue on their modmail. Evals need to be as quick as possible.

There's only one thing that non-biased, non-powerhungry mods need to do: "is this illegal"?

I shed NO sympathy for overactive nancies who get off to the ideas of their own personal mandate SILENCING other's opinions whom they don't like for whatever reason. That's NOT speech and thats doubly NOT feminism.

Save your boot licking for the pretending males who have successfully silenced women on reddit.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's a difference between appearing as a "weapon" against being pro-choice, and bringing it up as an aspect of healthcare concern for women.

There are open debates, or there are dictated debates. Only one.

mods are putting in time and effort managing the space for free.

If the mods don't want to volunteer to silence disagreeing women's legal speech, then they are free to quit.

[–]ShieldMaiden 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm sure it would be fine, I've seen it acknowledged on Ovarit more than once that bc pills have a tonne of horrible side-effects including making many women suicidal, and how the bc pill has had very few improvements since it came out (and other similar criticisms of the medical establishments treatment of women/neglect of studying female anatomy/studying the effect of drugs on female physiology and only focusing on male bodies as the "default human"). There's a lot to criticize about "the pill", plenty of feminists know it and are the ones leading the criticism.

[–]akkordeonplayer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just deleted my account on there.

I questioned why posts get deleted for being in "the wrong circle" and give the OP no option to move the post to the "preferred circle". The whole post with a all the likes, upvotes, and great comments just gets nuked. Happened to me a few times. THIS time I was really pissed off because someone who questioned my criticism of this phenomenon posted the EXACT same article I did on the same day my "wrong circle" post was nuked.

I got attacked by mods, they insinuated I was stupid and/or a "rule breaker", or that I was idiotic for making any criticism. I'm sure I'm not the only woman who's been discouraged from posting there because our threads have been deleted for nonsensical reasons. I mean, what is "rad-femmery" vs "gender critical" vs "woman" vs "women's liberation"? All of those categories sound like they overlap when you're forced to "pick a circle" while posting a new thread on mobile.

I don't need that in my life... it's bad enough being a woman on the internet without having to deal with "holier than thous" and their bizarre rules and vague categories.

Hell, even Kiwi Farms can relocate a post to an appropriate thread-- they don't just DELETE the whole post.

[–]peregrine_throw 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Not on saidit much and not yet on ovarit myself. I took a look and, though I don't speak for the mods, I can guess as to why.

You were derailing the point of the meme/possible discussion. It is a fact gc/rf woc have been absurdly accused, repeatedly, their stance is "white feminism" in an effort to dismiss their specific, and the entire gc/rf advocacy's, grievances. And yes, it is almost always a white TRA doing this and it's a deliberate racist demonization and discrediting bs strategy. Then you come in to needle a version of "HDU talk about male violence on women! women also rape!"

If you were there in good faith, you should have contacted the mods after your comment was deleted to ask why, instead of doubling down with a new sarcastic post, which only made you look more trollish. At ovarit's still early stage, they are rightfully protective not to be infiltrated by TRAs and trolls.

[–]WildApples 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If you were there in good faith, you should have contacted the mods after your comment was deleted to ask why, instead of doubling down with a new sarcastic post, which only made you look more trollish. At ovarit's still early stage, they are rightfully protective not to be infiltrated by TRAs and trolls.

No one should have to go through such such efforts to engage in good-faith criticism. At the end of the day, it causes the original poster and anyone who witnessed the censorship to limit their commentary to pre-approved topics (if they decide to even continue participating), which ultimately results in groupthink. No good can come of such censorship.

[–]peregrine_throw 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not censorship. It's applicatin of rules. Of course one needs to put in the effort to read the rules and about pages if they want to participate in any forum. And ovarit isn't a free-for-all forum; it advocates a specific type of feminism.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not censorship. It's applicatin of rules.

Ah yes, it's merely orders. I am certain that you would return an escaping slave so that you could continue following the rules set in your time.

The Police have unlimited power to enforce the Party’s views and ideologies and if anything goes against these ideologies or is not in line with the Party’s views, they are classed as illegal.

The people are regulated and oppressed by a certain set of beliefs, ideologies and even ‘rules’.

the Party tries to control the population’s behaviour by inventing ‘Newspeak’ a new language where the main tactic is to limit words to restrict independent thoughts and this ‘dumbing down’ will make disobedience unthinkable

...law is always based on a ‘body’ that gives it its power and authority. Whether that body is coherent or ethical, is a completely different question.

Wherever this power derives its legitimacy and whether it is morally acceptable, is a much different question.

Excerpted from a famous novel of what happens when you let tims go wild.

[–]akkordeonplayer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Their rules are too vague in terms of "correct circles" to post things in. One article or comment can technically cover multiple circle categories at once, but it's not uncommon for one's threads to be nuked because they're in the "wrong circle". Once the thread is nuked, you can't just re-link it to the "recommended circle".

[–]censorshipment 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

https://ovarit.com/o/Radfemmery/16294/for-real ...this? Maybe the point flew over your head?

One of the most insidious lies told by the transcult and libfems is that we are all western privileged white women. It couldn’t be further from the truth. We have radical feminists working all over the world trying to uplift ourselves, our mothers and sisters out of the poverty of patriarchal systems.

This meme is calling out the absolute idiocy of the transcult and libfems trying to smear our movement as a privileged white movement. Im a mixed immigrant and I’ll fight for white Appalachian women living in poverty as much as I will for my Brazilian family living in poverty. Considering the transcult is primarily a western white phenomenon, it is peak cognitive dissonance for them to use cancel culture/wokeness on us.

[–]ShieldMaiden 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, it sounds like OP didn't even understand the post/meme. It's the whole "Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie is a white feminist" thing TRAs were saying despite the fact that she is a black feminist writer/novelist from Nigeria. Just another propaganda move on their part against female unity and claiming that the meme is racist is playing right into their hand.

[–]grixit 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did you ask the mods why they did it?

[–]JustWhy[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't get the chance. So I posted another comment saying that mine was deleted for no reason. It was immediately deleted, the mod actually replied saying it was racism, and I was banned from the sub and labeled a Racist and Libfem by the mod team.

[–]worried19 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's disappointing. I have seen lots of deleted comments, but I assumed people were removing their own comments. If the mods are doing it, they should offer some justification.

I've only used the "report" feature once, and that was because someone used one of the banned t-slurs.

[–]Greykittymomma 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Yeah I never made it over there, too many hurdles. Yes a secret code is just too juvenile for me, sorry. I didn't agree with hardcore feminists all the time before this all started and I'm not about to now. My point is we need places for everyone to be able to discuss freely. I don't want my own echo chamber and that's pretty much what I expected. best Marty Crane impression I can manage

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I am also against echo chambers (and I am NOT accusing OVARIT of being an echo chamber - I am VERY appreciative of OVARIT) and agree that free-wheeling discussion, especially if it deconstructs sacred cows, is the most productive.

However, I think that all women spaces should shut down ad hominem attacks, because those will just lead to the women's movement eating itself. Deconstruct what is being said, rather than personally attack the speaker.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Deconstruct what is being said, rather than personally attack the speaker.

This. 👍

[–]peregrine_throw 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

It's not a "secret code". It's an invite code to minimize flooding in of TRAs, MRAs and libfems intending to cause chaos while ovarit's in its beta phase. Anyone can generate it, though the community relies each inviter does some degree of vetting of the invitee.

Funny how your disdain for it (calling it an echo chamber) and naive desire for it to be a space for everyone is already addressed by ovarit. It's written on each and every page of their site, if you cared to read it "All space becomes male space unless females maintain a concerted effort to mark a space for themselves. -Sheila Jeffreys"

[–]Greykittymomma 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yes and I don't necessarily disagree with that quote. I got an invite code but honestly the format isn't the best I prefer here and reddit. I like being able to talk to people outside that pool of like minded thinkers.

I do check articles from there frequently and I don't feel I am missing much by simply lurking for now. You kind of proved my point by coming here in that tone. Really makes me want to come visit you over there, amiright?

[–]peregrine_throw 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So you easily got a code and yet.. "Too many hurdles"... Ok.

You go to a specific forum and not expect a specific POV? Then criticize said site for having their specific POV? It's not them that's problematic, but you. If it's not your cup of tea, it's fine, but don't make it out like they're being unreasonable and irrational in how they do things-especially after you say you agree with the quote about the effort needed to make and maintain a space as your own.

Visit me? Like I mentioned to a different comment, I'm not even on it yet. I will after I tire of twitter. I very much appreciate the creation of Ovarit, I appreciate that team's bts work, that's why I put effort to reply to this post.

[–]Greykittymomma 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'm not looking for a woman only space, just one where I can talk freely as a woman. I check out articles that get cross posted here but don't want to go log in because I don't fully agree I am just a gender critical woman tired of being silenced. You are on twitter, enough said. You are problematic because you keep explaining this to me like I'm an idiot. I just disagree with you. Yes a code is dumb to me. Die mad about it.

[–]peregrine_throw 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Ovarit isn't a women-only place. And it's not for any and all GC women (conservative women, female TRAs and libfems can be shades of gc too). It's not an anti-trans central, it's a rf site primarily. You got so many things wrong and here you are complaining lolll you won't be "silenced" if you're not being inappropriate.

As for the idiot comment, hey, didn't come from me, but well, quacking ducks and all...

[–]Greykittymomma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You used the quote about women having spaces of their own did you not? I never claimed to be anything but GC and that is why I migrated here after Reddit banned us all. Many people recommended Ovarit and I could never get into it so leave me alone why are you arguing over our opinions of online spaces? Go the fuck away.

[–]peregrine_throw 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The space being women-centered and women-prioritizing, u/Greykittymomma. It would do you good to read up on the site before, you know, complaining about it.

I'm not arguing for you to go/stay on Ovarit. Who gives a shit. I'm pointing out your complaints are nonsensical, to put it mildly, and on you for not understanding what you wanted to access/complain about lol

Those women, especially the founder, are putting a lot into it building an alternative that no woman-hating entity (corp or person) can delete at whim-- be it financial, energy, time, doxxing risk, etc. the least women like you can do is say "ok but not for me since I'm not rf" and move on, instead of bitching about their efforts for nonsensical reasons. Enough men and tras already want to tear them down.

You like reddit and saidit better? No problem! Oh wait, yeah, reddit deleted the entire gc network... And cross your fingers and toes saidit won't down the road... Head on to twox for your "everyone" needs then and try to ignore the testosterone.

[–]Greykittymomma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

We are on Saidit talking freely about places we like to discuss GC views. Some people dont like Ovarit. The name alone makes me want to steer clear. I am expressing my opinion.

I am speaking generally about being silenced as a woman. No, I don't want a space just for people who think like me. I want to talk to people on Reddit still because talking to people with differing views is interesting to me. I am just tired of being censored on every platform.

I wanted to like Ovarit but it seems very much the same, if you don't bend over and think what they think they delete your stuff instead of letting people with brain cells think for themselves.

Saidit isn't perfect but until I ran into you I have found it more open and accepting. You keep coming back to tell me I'm wrong about venting my frustrations here. Maybe you should get over it. I think it is funny you have to make me feel bad for "bitching" yeah I will bitch about it, thank you.

[–]peregrine_throw 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I frankly don't care to make you "feel bad", I only care to point out that the basis of your opinion is nonsensical ("i am not rf but I will go to an rf board, then complain they're being rf!!1!") in case others, especially younger girls who want to explore women-centered feminism boards, come across your comment and skip looking into Ovarit.

You be careful, though, this very saidit sub is also accused of being a transphobic gc echo chamber by genderists. Lol

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

your complaints are nonsensical

She was recently banned (forced) off of another discussion site for not having beliefs APPROVED of TM by the moderators.

Legal beliefs, that were censored for religious reasons.

She wants a wider range of ideas in her forums, and doesn't like administrators deciding by fiat who is ALLOWED to have an opinion on a website. THat's why most of us even came to saiddit.

If you're okay with silencing women at the BEHEST of faceless administrators, then you're no better than the tims that got us silenced over on reddit.

If anything, YOU're a TOTAL hypocrite, and shouldn't call yourself a feminist.

no woman-hating entity (corp or person) can delete at whim--

Limiting the "acceptible" opinions DOESNT prevent mtfs trying to get it shut down.

Enough men and tras already want to tear them down.

And tearing her down for having other opinions makes you just the same as the radical mtfs.

And cross your fingers and toes saidit won't down the road...

Saidit has already banned people for being lawful and offending the administrator, and we could take back reddit if we tried.

Head on to twox for your "everyone" needs then and try to ignore the testosterone.

Limiting discussion on its successors is no better.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not an anti-trans central, it's a rf site primarily.

The irony. It can't be rad fem and also silencing women for speaking against men in their spaces.

This is what doublethink looks like, irl.

[–]SilenceThem_Consume 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

don't make it out like they're being unreasonable and irrational in how they do things-especially after you say you agree with the quote about the effort needed to make and maintain a space as your own.

The mtfs were justified in silencing women on reddit, they were just making their own space!!

[–]bungalow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't want to stir up an argument, but I've actually noticed a considerable increase in libfem thought over there -- as well as male posters. I know both are allowed -- but it's been really hard to challenge libfem thought because some regular posters over there get incredibly defensive and overreact (to the point of complaining to mods) when you disagree with them. The fear of being censored is a good way to chill speech -- that's why I'm here now.

[–]SharpTomorrow 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I mean r/gendercritical engaged in the same racial bullshit back then with "BIPOC" announcing racist "feminist" subs there, so nothing has changed. 100% lack of self awareness.

[–]bungalow 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I just joined Saidit now for this exact reason - many of my comments on Ovarit were censored because I argued against liberal feminism... I specifically created an account on Ovarit as I was under the impression that it was a space for radical feminist thought -- not libfem pandering. You can literally go to any other mainstream feminist site if you want liberal feminist thought.

People there get incredibly touchy over any form of disagreement and some of the women there will tattle tell on you for the most trivial things. I was part of r/GC for a while and never experienced this kind of heavy-handed censorship especially regarding opinions that defend radical feminism. So utterly disappointing. I had heard about their censorship but hadn't realized how pervasive it was until they deleted my posts.

Also, they love to fawn over their male posters over there. Which is another concerning trend. I'm with you there -- it's either toe the line, or get censored.

[–]JustWhy[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's so surprising to hear about because I actually felt I was not radical enough for Ovarit. For example I don't believe that black women in western countries have it the worst ever and everyone else needs to shut up, and I don't believe in alienating male allies. I don't agree with fawning over male posters. I actually thought men weren't allowed on Ovarit?

[–]bungalow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh wow! I appreciate your different outlook (and I do agree with some of your points) -- kinda proves how heavy-handed and uneven their censorship has been.

Yeah, men are allowed. It's outlined in their guidelines so that's fine but in the past week alone there's been an influx in male posters and the ladies give them such over the top, "validating" reactions, a very similar reaction to when people come "out." Just the other day there was a trans identified man in there who made a post expressing interest in creating a sub for both both GC women and trans variant people... It eventually got taken down, but it did garner some interest.

I actually like ideologically diverse spaces -- and I knew that Ovarit wasn't primarily a radfem space, but I didn't think that it would actively silence radfem thought in order to protect their incredibly sensitive users.

My posts got deleted, but the long and short of it is that I didn't post anything violating the terms. I deleted my account there. I don't ever want to be a part of that type of censorship again, especially in the company of fragile snowflakes who refuse to think critically.

[–]JustWhy[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What kind of posts did they delete?

[–]bungalow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I criticized a political liberal feminist (called her a faux feminist) and included sources as to why she's not a feminist. In turn I was told I was right-wing, a misogynist, etc. despite being firmly in the left-wing camp (I vote Green for god's sake lol). I proceeded to provide more sources, and this poster decided to tattle tell on me to the mod for "attacking her." They are so dramatic.

Ironically, this type of personal attack has me feeling more sympathetic to conservatives than I've ever felt before. They're just alienating people of all political affiliations at this point.

[–]akkordeonplayer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They seem censor happy. Multiple threads I posted were deleted for no obvious reason, except they were supposedly in the "wrong circle". The circle names themselves seriously overlap, and I think it's ridiculous they'd delete entire threads with tons of votes and comments simply because it's in the "wrong circle". Do they not want people to post new threads? I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been put off from making new posts because their prior ones were deleted for no obvious reason.

When I questioned this, I was attacked by mods, who implied I was stupid, that I was a "rule breaker", that I had no right to question this practice.

And I think it just flipped a switch in me. I recall other "good threads" suddenly disappearing, and now I realize they were just nuked entirely. I'm tired tired tired of being CENSORED for the most ridiculous reasons on social media and THEN being accused of being "too dull" to understand why.

[–]WrongToy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So if it were my decision (it's not), I would have removed the meme due to both racism and sexism and then locked the thread.

[–]akkordeonplayer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had yet ANOTHER post deleted on that website yesterday (a news article) because I put it in the "wrong circle". This article would have been seen on the GC sub in reddit, and I posted it while on mobile, so I couldn't read all the ridiculous criterion for each individual circle before I picked one.

After I noticed my post was deleted, I posted a question on the circles sub, asking why they can't fix this issue. Someone kept telling me I was wrong and/or that I was mistaken in my opinion. Same person posted the same exact article I did? WTF?