“Is it unethical to have cis-women only spaces?” Question posted in r/asktransgender today. Link to post/removeddit post in description.

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[–]Ferngully[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I go to these places online (saidit included) looking for answers and truth, but I feel close to giving up.... at least giving up Reddit, which is where I can find the most TRA discourse. I don’t understand Twitter, and don’t do Facebook or anything like that.

All actual discussion of this question even by trans people got downvotes. If the answer wasn’t a solid “yes” it got downvoted. And then when the person tried to defend their views it was more downvotes, and vitriol. I know as an avid redditor who has never had posts go “viral” down votes scare me. I barely have enough “karma” to matter, so it’s actually... valuable to me... idk that sounds stupid but whatever.

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    [–]889250 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    "To them being excluded is being victimized, even though people are excluded from groups/events all the time, for every reason."

    So true! And, at least today, being excluded from some groups or events is totally okay and isn't usually disrespectful or an act of discrimination.

    This mentality that absolutely everything has to be all inclusive or it's evil/transphobic is bullshit. Men can have clubs/groups separate from women, doesn't mean the group is inherently sexist, same for women. Taking away the ability to gather based on shared enjoyments or experiences in the name of making everyone feel welcome and "valid" (anyone else REALLY hate that word anymore?) is ridiculous.

    Especially in online forums for dating, because people have sexualities dictated by....biological sex. Which you can't identify into or out of. Males have no place in a forum for lesbians. And it's not a hate crime to say that.

    [–]DorothyGale 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "This mentality that absolutely everything has to be all inclusive or it's evil/transphobic is bullshit. Men can have clubs/groups separate from women, doesn't mean the group is inherently sexist, same for women. Taking away the ability to gather based on shared enjoyments or experiences in the name of making everyone feel welcome and "valid" (anyone else REALLY hate that word anymore?) is ridiculous."

    Yes, yes, yes! Well said.