"CAIS" (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome) proves that Transgenderism is Real"

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[–]HOWABOUTNO 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

I see no reason why anyone should be attacking people with complex medical condition for no reason at all, instead of helping them to bear with it. They are extremely rare condition, there can be just 1-2 of them in whole European country. Other AIS are much more common, but they aren't ambigious at all.

You don't know the number of DSD cases and can not claim they are rare when noone bothers with running DNA tests, MRI, etc on the majority of the population.

Not always. Plus those testes are inner and not visible, thought. They are finding out about them only at around age of 14-16, when diagnosed with amenorrhea in more advanced countries and at age of around 25-30, when they already married and trying to find out why they are infertile. In less advanced countries they never diagnosed and never know that they have DSD condition.

Their condition is not researched too deeply, as their body is developed like it couldo support ova and it is not supporting sperm (at least in most cases, unlike other AIS conditions, where they are clearly male). Their inner organs are places on a way that female people have. It is never researched about other difference between males and females, on which side they are. Also, they were never tested if they will support ova or sperm. So we can't say for sure if they are male or female until this will be tested.

If their condition is not studied deeply, you can not claim that they are women, or that their body is developed to support ova. You don't know anything would be the conclusion.

I believe their condition is studied enough. "Not always" is nonsense. They have no ovaries, therefore their bodies are not developed to support ova.

They have testes on the inside, yes. Just because they aren't visible to the eyes doesn't mean they are not men. Are you going to claim you're not human because your genes are not visible to the eyes? You sound like TRAs. "Omg genitals are not visible to the eyes. They're under clothes. How can they determine sex11".

In less advanced countries they never diagnosed and never know that they have DSD condition

All CAIS would know they are not women at some point. They have no ovaries, uteruses, etc. They have testes.

Their bodies are developed to support sperm, not ova. It was supposed to support sperm, and it failed.

CAIS can not get periods. Once they hit puberty, they will be aware of their maleness. Unless you claim they are so mentally challenged they don't know women get periods, and they don't.

There are no human hermaphrodites and can't exist. Also it will be a slur.

It's easier to call CAIS hermaphrodite than whatever nonsense you spout about their bodies supporting ova eventhough they have no female sex organ on the inside.

Words aren't innately "offensive". Don't care if DSD individuals are offended by "hermaphrodite". It's a perfect description. CAIS are disordered hermaphrodites.

[–]VioletRemi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If their condition is not studied deeply, you can not claim that they are women, or that their body is developed to support ova. You don't know anything would be the conclusion.

You have no idea what you are talking about. There are DSD conditions where males have ovaries, yet they can father a child, but not childbirth. You are very confused.

CAIS can not get periods. Once they hit puberty, they will be aware of their maleness.

You do realize how many women have amenorrhea untreated? When they are asking for tests and being neglected and called just infertile without any more tests? I was called "frigid" for being a lesbian and not liking men, instead of doing any research, my mother almost died because when her periods stopped at age of 35, she just was told "it is early menopuase", while in reality it was completely different issue that could be found out by just few simple tests. Also, many other women would not have periods or would be infertile - who do not have DSD conditions. Why are you combining "intersex" conditions with infertile women and justifying one by another? I only saw such tactics from TRA so far.

I have a strong feeling that you are a male or pretty rich/privileged female, as you seems to have no idea about female anatomy and female problems with healthcare treatment we are receiving.

It's easier to call CAIS hermaphrodite

But it will be untrue and will not work for healthcare at all. This word describes completely different thing. Why you want to lie, when above you said you are doing this because "you don't want to lie"? You are contradicting yourself.

[–]HOWABOUTNO 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (4 children)

There are DSD conditions where males have ovaries, yet they can father a child, but not childbirth. You are very confused.

What kind of DSDs? Care to name this DSD in which a male has ovaries AND testes? Hmm?

Also, many other women would not have periods or would be infertile - who do not have DSD conditions. Why are you combining "intersex" conditions with infertile women and justifying one by another? I only saw such tactics from TRA so far.

Infertile women have ovaries, and no testes. If they meet with a doctor, a few tests, and boom, they learn they are infertile.

CAIS are not infertile. They have no female sex organ on the inside at all.

I have a strong feeling that you are a male or pretty rich/privileged female, as you seems to have no idea about female anatomy and female problems with healthcare treatment we are receiving.

Sweatie, I'm a woman in the middle of a "third world country", and the people here are still not mentally challenged enough to let someone be if they can not start their periods.

But it will be untrue and will not work for healthcare at all. This word describes completely different thing. Why you want to lie, when above you said you are doing this because "you don't want to lie"? You are contradicting yourself.

Hermaphrodite means an organism has both male and female sex organs.

CAIS have dysfunctional testes, aka male sex organ, and "vaginal" opening and labia, that's it.

CAIS are male. I called them hermaphrodite because you lie they are women when they aren't. If you're going to claim they are women, I'm going to call them at worst a hermaphrodite, a disordered hermaphrodite, with dysfunctional sex organs of both sexes.

[–]VioletRemi 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ovotesticular DSD and PMDS, for example.

Infertile women have ovaries, and no testes.

Not all have ovaries or were born with ovaries.

If they meet with a doctor, a few tests, and boom, they learn they are infertile.

Even if they are fertile, and their amenorrhea comes from other way. In many cases no tests are done, just "no periods for long time" is enough.

Someone with CAIS can be treated just same way, without any extra testings.

Hermaphrodite means an organism has both male and female sex organs.

Not sex organs, but both gonads, both working gonades.

Hermaphrodite is an organism that can both father a child and give a childbirth.

Also, CAIS do not have both sex organs - they have none of sex organs. They may have male gonades, but not always. Have you even read a bit about CAIS condition?

And why are you want to call slurs an extremely small minority of people that almost no one ever will even meet? I don't understand your hatred. All you write on this site is how you hate vaccines and how you hate people with CAIS (also, there are XX females with CAIS too, who have cervixes and can give birth).

CAIS have dysfunctional testes

In most cases they are functional or they are absent completely. You hate people while being completely ignorant about who they are or their condition.

I see no reason to discuss anything anymore with you.

[–]HOWABOUTNO 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Ovotesticular DSD and PMDS, for example.

Which is why people with Ovotesticular DSDs and PMDS are hermaphrodites. They have the gonads of both sexes.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/ovotesticular-disorder-of-sex-development/

Ovotesticular disorder of sex development (ovotesticular DSD) is a very rare disorder in which an infant is born with the internal reproductive organs (gonads) of both sexes (female ovaries and male testes).

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Not sex organs, but both gonads, both working gonades.

Hermaphrodite is an organism that can both father a child and give a childbirth.

No. Just as females with disorders can not "give childbirth" and males with disorders can not "father children", but they are still female and male respectively, a hermaphrodite whose both organs are not functional is a hermaphrodite, albeit a disordered hermaphrodite.

And why are you want to call slurs an extremely small minority of people that almost no one ever will even meet? I don't understand your hatred. All you write on this site is how you hate vaccines and how you hate people with CAIS (also, there are XX females with CAIS too, who have cervixes and can give birth).

I was talking about XY CAIS.

And again, how on earth do you know they are a small minority one does not meet if doctors don't run tests on the majority of the population to make sure they have DSDs or not? You can't see inside bodies with eyes. There should be tests.

In most cases they are functional or they are absent completely

In all cases, they have the testes. And even if they were absent, which I never read anywhere, and you're pulling out of nowhere, it would mean they have no ovaries, uterus, testes, etc. They still wouldn't be female. They would have no sex.