How are feminists okay with this?

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[–]SharpTomorrow 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"feminism" has become a weasel word. There is no feminism if men can be women and and womanhood is considered "a feeling". Feminism has been co-opted by people who have an agenda, feminists didn't push back, the movement is now rotten to the core. unfortunately feminists themselves are to blame, because they pushed intersectionality which is divisive by nature. As soon as you reason about "subcategories" of women, this is what happen, you are building a hierarchy in your own struggle. It was a terrible mistake, no matter how well intended intersectionality was.

So your friend has been misled as to what feminism is at first place.

Men are not women and feminism was never designed for transsexuals. Gender stereotypes need to be fought, not normalized and enforced through the idea of "gender".

[–]Radish 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Absolutely. I stopped calling myself a feminist because nobody has any idea what that means any more. I hear people who I otherwise highly respect saying things like "oppression of femme-identified people"

I don't believe feminists are to blame, though. I don't believe feminists are really behind a movement that disguises itself as progressive but is characterized by telling women to shut up and that the movement knows what women are like better than women do. That sounds like regressive malespeak to me.

[–]SharpTomorrow 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I don't believe feminists are to blame, though. I don't believe feminists are really behind a movement that disguises itself as progressive but is characterized by telling women to shut up and that the movement knows what women are like better than women do. That sounds like regressive malespeak to me.

I think some are to blame in the sense that they came up with intersectionality which by itself created categories of women instead of uniting them. I remember when I was on r_gendercritical on reddit, there were posts about making sub forums only accessible to women that are at least 60% black. Or with the "karen" debate, where "black feminists" told other to "stay on their lane". That's the result of intersectionality. Either something is sexist or it isn't, it cannot depend what is the race of who says something. Same with racial divisions, you unite women by dividing them along race lines at first place, all that has nothing to do with feminism.

Well TRA and co are doing exactly the same thing, pretending that "ciswomen" are privileged because they are not transsexual.

Feminism needs to focus only on the condition of every women and females as a class, yes racism can be an adjacent struggle, but where does it stop? After all, some muslim women are "oppressed" by "islamophobes", Should feminists defend Islam as well? a mysoginistic religion? This is very subtle but it leads to entrism. I point out "islamophobia" because some muslims consider the criticism of Islam "islamophobia". Should feminists stay silent not to offend them as well?

[–]Radish 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I do not believe that all the divisiveness is feminist. I don't think telling women to sit down and shut up is ever indicative of a movement for women.

All religions are oppressive to women, and I don't mind saying so. That doesn't mean I don't have respect for the women in them. Just not the oppressive religions (not sure why you think I was advocating for defending islam or for staying silent about woman hating abuse here)

There are people standing in line to blame "the feminists" for everything. By that, they tend to mean "Any woman who has an opinion I don't like or who voices it in a manner I don't like." I refuse to join that line.

[–]SharpTomorrow 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are people standing in line to blame "the feminists" for everything. By that, they tend to mean "Any woman who has an opinion I don't like or who voices it in a manner I don't like." I refuse to join that line.

And that's not what I'm saying. It's just that feminism cannot be about every single possible struggle on the planet.

[–]Radish 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Feminism should be about women. It has been corrupted to be defined in so many different ways (many not having the words "women" "girls" or "female" in it at all) that it no longer has that meaning, and people don't know what they're talking about.