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[–]MarkTwainiac 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sex designations on birth certificates offer no clinical utility; they serve only legal — not medical — goals.

Huh? All states in the US require that newborns soon after birth have blood drawn from a prick of the soles of their feet to be tested for a number of genetic diseases (exactly which diseases varies from state to state). Some of these are life-threatening genetic diseases that manifest at or soon after birth - hemophilia, severe combined immunodeficiency disease (aka "bubble boy disease) - and which occur only in the male sex. Doctors have to know the sex of a newborn to tell the labs (run by or working at the behest of the states) what genetic diseases to test for.

Other deadly genetic diseases that manifest early, such as cystic fibrosis, have a very different trajectory, treatment protocol and mortality depending on whether the child is male or female. Knowing the sex of these children is vital to knowing how to care for them, and for being able to predict their life expectancy.

How is not recording sex in government birth and public health registries in the best interest of children with such conditions? How are the goals of understanding, treating and eventually curing sex-linked diseases aided by not recording sex?

We're only just now getting a sense of all the childhood physical and mental illnesses that occur in females that have gone unnoticed and undiagnosed coz males are considered the default humans and the health complaints of girls and women are customarily pooh-poohed. Not recording sex in official documents - and pretending sex doesn't matter in medical matters - will only muddy the waters and compound the injustices done to females in medical care.

Birth certificates are not identity-validation documents meant to serve the narcissistic, self-serving aims of individuals. They are government-issued records that reflect some of the vital information that governments keep to serve the larger interests of society. BCs prove citizenship, and thus eligibility for rights like voting and programs like welfare and Medicare. Birth registries listing sex help governments plan for things like school accommodations, public toilet provisions, health care needs, military conscription in the case of war, and the makeup of specific health programs and nursing care facilities that eventually will be needed when newborns are elderly. Planning ahead to deal with sex-linked conditions like cervical and breast cancer, prostate cancer, and Alzheimers become impossible if the sex of newborns isn't registered.

Also, if governments don't register sex, then there's no way to track practices such as aborting female fetuses for being female - and the large-scale killing of girls under age 5 - that are now common in countries like India and Pakistan, where hundreds of millions of females are now "missing" and the sex ratios are becoming increasingly skewed as a result. As what's happened in China shows, when there is a marked imbalance in the numbers of males and females in a society, a whole lot of problems ensue.

The much higher rates of hospitalization, ICU admissions and deaths of males due to COVID-19 show how important sex is in medical matters. How can these idiots argue otherwise?

[–]copenseethe 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

There will be casualties, of course. It's all worth it if dudes that like to wear dressed feel valid and stunning.

[–]grixit 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

My birth certificate shows length and weight. Should i demand to revise it because those have changed?

[–]FlippyKing 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wonder if a birth certificate is meant for clinical utility, or if NEJM is is posing a stupid idea to drag the reader into murky waters. A birth certificate is a form of ID, physical characteristics are recorded so we can better know if the person in question is the person referred to on that and any from of ID. Sex is a physical characteristic. The NEJM has joined every other prominent and powerful institution in spewing bullshit because there is nothing and no one that can stop them or hold them accountable when they do stupid shit.

How is recording the sex of a human at birth harmful to transgender people? It is their mental illness that causes that harm, not reality. To the extent that recording the sex of a human at birth does not reflect reality for the 0.23% or 0.023% or what ever the percent is of intersexed humans, that is a problem that percent of the time and no other time.

Edited to add the comments are a welcome bit of an awakening sanity in spite of the NEJM willingness to put this crap on their website

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How is recording the sex of a human at birth harmful to transgender people?

Because it "invalidates" their pretend identities. The NEJM piece takes the position that BCs are meant to provide personal "validation." Which is BS. Anyone who sits around all day fretting over the sex markers on their BCs, passports, drivers licenses and feeling "erased" and that their "existence is being denied" coz of them is, as you say, mentally ill - and it's their mental illness that's causing them harm, not the documents that reflect reality.

This is akin to people over 65 saying that their Medicare cards and senior citizen discount cards and transport passes are "harmful" coz they make us feel old. Can you imagine people with disabilities who have vehicles with license plates or badges showing they can park in handicapped places saying this makes them feel invalidated and singled-out as having handicaps? Or overweight people who need seatbelt extenders on airplanes saying that such devices shame them?

[–]FlippyKing 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it is also the authors, two doctors and a lawyer, admitting they will not do anything to help those who will not accept reality to accept reality. They are asking the world to pretend the mental illness is not a mental illness, and let's be fully honest about why: the drug companies and the surgeries are money in their pockets and the never ending therapy, that can never end if it doesn't even try to get the mentally ill to recognize reality for what it is, is money in their industry's pocket.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And when I though that things couldn't get more ridiculous...

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[–]eddyelric 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really hope this doesn't pass through!