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[–]FlippyKing 26 insightful - 4 fun26 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I guess the days that "reality has a well-known liberal bias" are officially dead.

I look forward to Elliot returning and apologizing for ever accepting a Best Actress award.

[–]JustWhy 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Haha if only. She is still playing a female role because it suits her. There is no way she would give up the award to a runner up because she thinks she earned it. TRAs and celebrities only do things that are self serving. If she does return all her female awards I will totally eat a $100 bill.

[–]hfxB0oyA 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly feel sorry for her. It's got to be psychologically damaging to live in the reality-free Hollywood bubble starting from when you're relatively young and not yet grounded in who you are. Add to that a complete lack of grounding in higher education (or any other non-star-studded stretch of life experience) plus having people call you a genius because you almost won an award when you were twenty. Combine all that with the fact that at 33, her best days are well behind her as an actress, and it's got to be a recipe for wondering who the hell you are in the grand scheme of your world.

Someone here also suggested that her wife is a big supporter of the tranwagon, and that there were rumours of marriage troubles that might have influenced Ellen to want to do things to keep her spouse interested in her. It certainly seems a plausible scenario where a lost girl who never quite grew up might be heavily influenced by a more forcefully dominant person in their life. And well, here we are he is.

[–]Finnegan7921 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She and plenty of others for that matter would never have "come out" as whatever "genderspeshul" they claimed to suddenly be b/c there would have been absolutely zero incentive to do so. The way it is now, society is catering to these people in exorbitant ways so it makes sense to claim some sort of "identity" that nobody had heard of prior to 2015.

The more we indulge and reward the fantasies of these people, the more of them we will get and the further down the rabbit hole we will end up.

[–]BiologyIsReal 20 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Biologists would explain her that there are only two sexes. Gender isn't a biological concept and, honestly, I can't help but feel that this word has only muddied the waters.

[–]lefterfield 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It was originally a term used by feminists to describe the experiences of women in society - gender roles. And since so much else about genderism is incredibly misogynistic and anti-feminist, I can't help but wonder if whoever came up with it had exactly this plan in mind. Use feminist rhetoric to shut down feminists, turn back women's rights. It seems too perfect an outcome(from the perspective of someone who hates women) to have been accidental or coincidence...

[–]BiologyIsReal 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, it seems like too much of a coincidence.

And I still think that talking about sex rols or sex stereotypes is clearer than talking about gender, which was being used as an euphemism for sex even before the TRA takeover. Or at least I remember being taugh that the Spanish word sexo was translated as gender in English (when talking about the biological category and not the sexual act). When I was at school during the 90's, the Spanish word género belonged to grammar. It's possible that Spanish speaking feminists may were already talking about gender back then, but I don't know much about the history of the movement. I think I first heard about gender being used in a feminist context in Argentina when more people started talking about violencia de género (meaning domestic violence). About late 2000's or early 2010's, maybe (I would need to look up whether the words violencia de género predates identidad de género -gender identity- or not because I don't remember which came first). And since then this meaning of género has become more common and entangled with transgender ideology rethoric. That being said people are still using the word sexo here, though if local TRAs have their way this may not last long. There is already a lot of newspeak in local Media...

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This letter to the editor of the NY Times from 27 December 1990 is relevant here:

To the Editor:

The term "gender" is increasingly misused as a substitute for "sex." Does "gender" appear to reflect a greater sophistication, or reluctance to use a term with a possible indecent connotation?

"The Gender Gulf" by Louis Harris (Op-Ed, Dec. 7) misuses the term three times (not counting the headline), including this: "the generation gap is less evident and the gender gap more acute." Among the same day's letters, one ("Sexism on Sesame St.") misuses gender five times including "gender imbalance."

"The Careful Writer: A Modern Guide to English Usage" by Theodore M. Bernstein (New York, 1965) states, "gender is a grammatical term, denoting (in English) whether words pertaining to a noun or pronoun are classed as masculine, feminine or neuter. It is not a substitute for 'sex' (but then, what is?). Indeed, in some foreign languages 'gender' often disregards sex. In German, for example, 'Weib,' The word for woman, is neuter; in French 'plume,' the word for pen, a sexless article, is feminine. To use 'gender' as if it were synonymous with 'sex' is an error, and a particularly unpardonable one in scientific writing."

From Fowler's "Modern English Usage" edited by Sir Ernest Gowers (Oxford, second edition, 1965):

"Gender, n., is a grammatical term only. To talk of 'persons' or 'creatures of the masculine or feminine gender,' meaning 'of the male or female sex,' is either a jocularity (permissible or not according to context) or a blunder."

I can only assume you have elected to permit this misuse, despite a valid and useful distinction between the terms.

SIDNEY WEINSTEIN Danbury, Conn., Dec. 10, 1990

The writer is editor in chief, International Journal of Neuroscience.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It was originally a term used by feminists to describe the experiences of women in society - gender roles.

Lefterfield, can you point me some sources for this claim? I'm not trying to be disagreeable or to challenge you, but as someone aware of feminist issues and changing use of terminology since the 1960s, I have no recollection of feminists in the 60s, 70s and 80s talking about "gender roles." I recall all the discussion back then was about sex roles, sex stereotypes, sexism, sex discrimination, sexual harassment, sex crimes, sex abuse and so on.

I know that Ann Oakley published a book (and a very good one) called "Sex, Gender and Society" in 1972, but AFIAK this didn't usher in a period where feminists started routinely speaking about gender roles rather than sex roles.

Thanks.

[–]lefterfield 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm... could be I'm wrong about that. But I checked and I'd probably need to do a lot more research to find out where the term originally came from. Gender identity didn't come from feminists at least.

[–]Skipdip 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If only conservatives cared about women’s rights and egalitarianism between the sexes. Then it would be perfect.

[–]Finnegan7921 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, at least they care about the right to call an actual woman a woman, which is more than I can say about the left. "Uterus havers", "menstruators", "birthing people".....I'll take the bunch that at least allows women the basic right to exist as "Women" instead of telling them to shut the fuck up and embrace the female penis, ladydick, male lesbians, etc. I'll take the bunch that wants to keep women's spaces for women and not allow anyone who claims to be "female" into them with no questions asked.

Both sides are flawed, but only one is attempting to fundamentally reshape society into some warped version of itself.

[–]anonymale 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll take the bunch that wants to keep women's spaces for women

Kinder, Küche, Kirche, right? Conservatives are the mirror image of TRAs. Both expect and enforce conformity to stereotypes.

[–]Archie 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Basically the left until ~2016. We need the left to go back to its roots, focus on workers rights and well-needed egalitarianism based on reality. Not that woke shit.