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The inconsistencies come from the fact that they want us to look at 'trans' the same way we look at 'gay'. Through that lens it makes sense. "Elliott" was always a man, just in the closet until "he" was safe enough or had the courage to come out.

The problem with that is it's a direct contradiction to objective reality, and they know that. Even (most) homophobes understand that same sex attraction is real, they just see it as a deviance that needs to be prayed or therapied away.

That's why they say both "elliott was always a man" and "elliott is a man from the moment he says so." They want people to see Ellen's coming out the same way as a homosexual person's coming out, so they say "elliott has always been a man." But they know they can't magically erase the 30+ years Ellen has "presented as a woman" or the fact that she's obviously female. So they say "from this point forward elliott is a man."