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[–]inneedofspace 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Pregnant people sounds so vague and so randomly assigned, all the work women have done for women's health to be replaced by "people". Seriously what's so wrong with "women and birthing people" or women and trans men? After all the vast majority about 99% of pregnant people are in fact women *who still call themselves women. Who's really pushing this pregnant people talk? I mean how exactly does it help your dysphoria to be referred to as your reproductive organs? I feel like this language allows society to ignore the elephant in the room but only time will tell if vague terms like "pregnant people" will lead to a new second class, my guess is yes it will, history has taught us that when women are just "people", men become default and women yes all "afabs" become their body, that is the history of the gender neutral word "men" and the second class human, incubator/maid/"wife". I wish everyone understood the importance of gender specific language for the female body, when all bodies are treated the same the female body in comparison always seems to deserve less and the only way to overcome this is to acknowledge not erase sex (and therefore the purposes of the female body in it's own right), it's upsetting that language is being taken away even sadder that women have no rights to name ourselves and our own oppression.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

99% of pregnant people are in fact women.

100% are girls or women. Just because a small number would prefer to be male or to have no sex does not change this fact.

[–]inneedofspace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree, even though I don't agree with trans activist I sometimes make the distinction because I feel like in the long run it helps me get my point across without dealing with the identity politics and semantics but I agree all pregnant people are women/female even "afab" if I really have to, whatever makes people with gender dysphoria feel a little less horrible about their bodies so we can address the female erasure happening within the transgender community and feminism and why it'll never help any girl/woman, trans or not.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I wasn't trying to be nitpicky, just factual. In my experience and opinion, conceding a little bit of ground to the genderists in hopes this will mollify and placate them doesn't work, as they tend to be recalcitrant absolutist authoritarians and colonists who the epitomize the adage, "give an inch and they'll take a mile."

whatever makes people with gender dysphoria feel a little less horrible about their bodies so we can address the female erasure

Sorry, but this sounds like transpaining, meaning the POV that says what trans-identified people suffer is many times worse than what anyone else on earth suffers or have ever suffered.

Why are people with "gender dysphoria" always centered and given more sympathy than anyone else gets? Why do trans people's feelings of discomfort and their need to get their way matter more than than anyone's else's feelings, needs and desires?

Fact is, most female people in and after puberty have a lot of discomfort and dislike of our bodies. Many girls and women feel absolutely horrible about their/our bodies. Lots of boys and men dislike their bodies too.

What's more, pregnancy, childbirth and post-birth are times when lots of women have all sorts of issues with our bodies, and many of us are deeply unhappy with how our bodies look, feel and function.

Pregnant women are subjected to vile forms of sexual harassment walking down the street and in public settings. In the course of carrying a pregnancy to full term most/many women will develop stretch marks, hemorrhoids, excess body fat and cellulite that's hard to get rid of, back aches, insomnia, indigestion, pregnancy mask on the face, allergies, sweating, edema, hairs growing out of the nipples, etc. And pregnant women are routinely called fat cows and whores who couldn't keep our legs shut by strangers, and treated as though we/they are nothing but waddling incubators by wide swathes of society.

A large number of women who've given birth to children will end up later in life with urinary incontinence, and many will have fecal incontinence too. Some will have painful conditions like pudendal neuralgia that end up disabling them decades after giving birth.

Why does the "dysphoria" (a fancy world meaning unhappiness, distress and unease) and "lived experience" of such women never get considered? Where's the sympathy for them/us?

Why are people with this new, made-up malady that's all about regressive sex stereotypes called "gender dysphoria" seen as the most put-upon and suffering people ever?

[–]ColoredTwice 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry, but this sounds like transpaining, meaning the POV that says what trans-identified people suffer is many times worse than what anyone else on earth suffers or have ever suffered.

And yet, they are the safest demographics on Earth. Especially in countries like UK or Norway, where less than 1 transgender is killed per year, less than 2 transgenders are attacked per year, and transwomen have more rights than women - women, who are killed at 3 per week during lockdown and 2 attacked daily. More transwomen attacked women, than men attacked transwomen. And no woman killed transwoman so far, while the opposits is happened few times.