Trans women drop-kicked and stamped on man, 19, outside Tube station

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[–]artetolife 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

FWIW those sentences aren't uncommonly lenient. They were wise to take their shoes off! Those are classed as weapons for the purpose of sentencing so it takes it down a notch.

[–]MarkTwainiac 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I know they aren't unusually lenient from a UK or European perspective. Lots of men in those countries routinely get off pretty much scot-free even when convicted of major crimes.

Still, it seems worth noting that the punishments meted out to the men who committed this violent assault got more lenient sentences than the autistic male youth who was prosecuted and convicted for allegedly saying "are you a girl or a boy?" within earshot of a TIF police officer who was in the midst of "transitioning."

[–]denverkris 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That TIF makes me embarrassed for women everywhere. Like seriously, there are women around the globe suffering untold atrocities, and she gets her knickers in a twist because of a very reasonable question posed by a child. I can't count the number of times a child has directly asked me (or their mommy, while vigorously pointing at me) whether I'm a boy or a girl and somehow I managed to go on with my life and not sue the child. Someone needs to tell her that if she really wants to be a man she needs to grow a pair.

[–]artetolife 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Still, it seems worth noting that the punishments meted out to the men who committed this violent assault got more lenient sentences than the autistic male youth who was prosecuted and convicted for allegedly saying "are you a girl or a boy?" within earshot of a TIF police officer who was in the midst of "transitioning."

He got a 12 week curfew and a fine. Apart from the one who got a conditional discharge the other sentences were double that, although curfew orders seem like a bit of a useless punishment at the moment. There could also be post-sentence supervision requirements which the media never mentions because nobody understands what they are, but they're not nothing.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He got a 12 week curfew and a fine.

When I said he got a worse punishment I meant that he got a fine in addition to the curfew. The fine was £590 or nearly $800 USD, pretty hefty for a 19-year old without parents or other family to support him who is employed as a carer.

Also, he got the 12 week curfew sentence before the UK considered any COVID-19 lockdown measures or restrictions. As you note, the guys in the other case were given curfews when restrictions limiting nighttime activities in the UK are already in place for the whole population and are expected to remain in place or become more strict in the coming months, and thus are essentially meaningless.

Moreover, the autistic teen was convicted of a "hate crime" and will have to live with that on his record. In the court of public opinion, he was slurred as a "yob" in newspaper reports, including The Daily Mail:

A teenage yob was today ordered to pay £200 compesnation to a transgender police officer - for shouting 'Is it a boy or is it a girl?' at him.

PCSO Connor Freel, 25, was 'upset and embarrassed' after the teenager shouted abuse while he was in uniform on street patrol duty.

Declan Armstrong, 19, was put under a nightime curfew and ordered to pay £590 - including the £200 compensation to the officer.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7943147/Teenage-yob-ordered-pay-compensation-transgender-police-officer-abuse.html

By contrast, the violent men in this recent case were described in court and the press not just as women, but women who in the eyes of the judge were provoked into committing assault and battery coz of transphobia, which the judge characterized as a particularly heinous kind of animus. They were not accused or convicted of committing a "hate crime" - they were treated as the victims of one.

The system bent over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt and special treatment to the full-grown adult men in dresses in the current case coz of their "trans" status and basically tried to minimize the violence they committed as a gang against a lone teenager. They're members of the new sacred caste who are seen as doing no or little wrong even when they together relentlessly beat the shite out of someone.

But the very same system did nothing to take into account that 19-year-old who was arrested, tried and convicted for saying something a police officer took offense at was autistic and by several criteria was himself a "vulnerable person" in UK parlance. Instead, he was castigated as a lowly and hateful "yob" who is guilty of "hate crime."