About the idea that playing along with trans fantasies is the polite thing to do

submitted by BiologyIsReal from self.GenderCritical

sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun
you are viewing a single comment's thread.

view the rest of the comments →

[–]HarlanRogers 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The issue I find is that it's a kafkatrap for people who generally intend to be civil to others, such as myself, and that makes me very uncomfortable.

I don't like conflict or hurting others, but I also don't like being wrong. So if I were to tell a trans person that I think their perceptions of themselves are not based in ontological truth and are ultimately delusional, I'm worried I'll be branded a horrible person or I'll hurt them enough to make them self-harm. It's impossible to agree to disagree on this issue because it's a fundamental part of how they view themselves. And the militant mindset TRA's have encouraged each other to adopt makes it even worse.

So for the sake of avoiding needless arguments or being outcast from groups, I ultimately do identify trans people by their pronouns. I totally agree that enabling the warped perception of self is only hurting them in the long run, but I'd like to avoid getting into arguments about this in apolitical contexts, particularly in public. I've got to look out for myself rather than break myself trying to convince every trans person that they're wrong about themselves.

[–]EveSerpent 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They already know they’re wrong about themselves. That’s why they’re so very desperate to have everyone else in the world validate their delusions by pretending along with them. They can’t even convince themselves.

[–]HarlanRogers 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think they, or at least some portion of the population, do sincerely believe these things though. That's one of the reasons they're so militant about it, they're convinced they're right.

[–]EveSerpent 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have to disagree. If anyone truly believed a TIM was a woman, then his concerns and interests would be treated as actual women’s are: ignored, dismissed, mocked. Not treated as though they are the words of a god that must be obeyed, like they are now.

What if women had actually wanted integrated public bathrooms for some crazy reason? Wouldn’t happen. Instead we are trying to fight against this, and we—the absolute majority over TIMs, with real safety concerns—are shot down.

No woman is making an effort to have grown men share changing rooms with their 10 year old daughters. TIMs are the ones championing this and winning.

ETC. ETC. ETC. Because everyone knows they’re men and so they are pandered to. TIFs are largely ignored by everyone because who cares, they’re women.

I believe they’re all only militant about it due to their narcissism and misogyny. Nothing more.

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If anyone truly believed a TIM was a woman, then his concerns and interests would be treated as actual women’s are: ignored, dismissed, mocked. Not treated as though they are the words of a god that must be obeyed, like they are now.

Just like in majority of discussions, issues and laws - transmen are ignored, and instead narrative is shifted to transwomen, even if it started about transmen. And are mentioned only when they can be used as "gotcha!".