Isn't "Self ID" just setting up the gender ideologues up for a hostile takeover?

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[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

People have already challenged the idea of self ID. Zuby https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuby_(rapper) claimed to identify as a woman while breaking the women's deadlift record. To the surprise of no-one, it was easy for him. Things like that don't seem to have stopped TRAs. Even in the sports arena which is imo the most glaring and obvious area of trans hypocrisy.

Another example, I know of an internet quasi-celebrity NB (female) person dating a person who claimed to be a detransitioned female who was found to be lying(male). So they are claimed to be in a queer lesbian relationship. When I saw that, I rolled my eyes and thought, this is idiotic and surely everyone will refuse to accept this. But person who initially reported this was forced to bend over backward and validate he/him lesbians, his identity as a lesbian, said it "wasn't her place" to call a spade a spade. I was disappointed but not surprised. TBH I don't think forced is the right word, I think she honestly believed this crap.

I heard a very interesting tidbit here (back in reddit days) that while woman can't be defined by anything except feeling like one or wanting to be one, the defining and only real feature of a transwoman is being born male. That's always stuck with me because it's true - transpeople have more ability to biologically categorize what they are than me, a woman.

Anyways, people have believed more harmful lies than the TRA ones and for longer, so I'm not optimistic.

[–]yousaythosethings[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Another example, I know of an internet quasi-celebrity NB (female) person dating a person who claimed to be a detransitioned female who was found to be lying(male). So they are claimed to be in a queer lesbian relationship.

While I feel like I don't want to know, I also feel compelled to ask who this is. Non-binary often feels more toxic than trans. Especially because non-binary is how they end up involving and ensnaring actual gay people, including by convincing lesbians we're not really women because society has a way of not treating us like women.

I heard a very interesting tidbit here (back in reddit days) that while woman can't be defined by anything except feeling like one or wanting to be one, the defining and only real feature of a transwoman is being born male. That's always stuck with me because it's true - transpeople have more ability to biologically categorize what they are than me, a woman.

Very excellent point. The double standards seem endless. We should be asking these questions why can't we (in my case female) identify as a trans woman? Especially if sex is so meaningless to them.

[–]PenseePansy 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

We should be asking these questions why can't we (in my case female) identify as a trans woman?

Yeah: cuz if TWAW... then WATW naturally follows, right? It works both ways.

Seriously, I think that we may have found the Death Star's thermal exhaust port here... and also the single proton torpedo to fire into it :)

[–]NecessaryScene1 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

"ContrarianQuinn" on Twitter had a good go this time last year:

https://twitter.com/ContrarianQuinn/status/1208367259502010368?s=19

I am a trans woman. I was born with a vagina. Yes we exist. We are an even more vulnerable minority within a minority. We face all the same things as other trans women except many of us also menstruate and are vulnerable to pregnancy

We are at even greater risk of sexual and domestic violence than other trans women, but also we are trafficked, sold into marriage as children, and have our genitals mutilated in huge numbers globally

We are subject to medical gatekeeping which prevents us from receiving gender affirming surgery, medical science has left us in the dust and surgeons refuse to give us neovaginas simply because we have vaginas.

And the worst part is that bioessentialism excludes us even from the trans rights movement just because of the genitals we were born with. They say trans women born with vaginas aren't valid and insist on defining us by our genitals.

But the #MayaForstater case has established that the belief that sex is observable is a philosophical belief no worthy of respect in a democratic society and the time has come for the trans community to get with the times and accept trans women born with vaginas #translivesmatter

Trans women born with vaginas are and always have been trans women, regardless of the assumptions a bioessentialist white supremacist cisheteropatriarchal society makes about us based on our bodies.

We face an insidious form of transphobia known as transsexism. These are the norms which privilege trans people who's bodies meet bioessentialist expectations about what it is to be trans over those who don't (eg. trans women born with penises over trans women born with vaginas)

This is the Meta Trans Woman Pride Flag, representing all trans women born with vaginas. That might look like a uterus but if you turn it upside down it kinda looks like a lady penis, demonstrating how meaningless so-called "sex" actually is. #TransRightsAreHumanRights

[–]yousaythosethings[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is beautiful. But the mole would not even need to admit she is female because biological sex is now "private medical information" so she could get enraged at anyone asking her for that information or questioning it. "How dare you?!"