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[–]hmimperialtortie 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So it’s just fine to have them (and aren’t nearly half transwomen in prison jailed for sexual assaults?) in women’s prisons, where they can and do rape women.

Presumably Amnesty doesn’t think women are human.

[–]windrunner 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's basically "let's protect the men by putting women in danger". Why don't they advocate for wings specifically for transgender people? Or is it still in the name of kindness and inclusiveness that steve who sexual assaulted a woman in the women's toilet gets to be put in an environment where he can still make some more victims?

[–]hmimperialtortie 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Still got to punish those women, and denying a man the opportunity to rape is clearly cruel and unusual punishment.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Amnesty repeatedly has decided to fight for jons and pimps and not women forced into prostitution. This doesn’t shock me either, they hate women top to bottom.

[–]hmimperialtortie 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep.

[–]yousaythosethings 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The evidence usually cited is what percentage of these males say they fear rape or some other kind of assault in men’s prison. Maybe poll the the rest male population, which in all likelihood have the same fears.

They never ever mention or consider the potential effect on women. And because they never do, it’s because they know they can’t without destroying their entire argument. The California prison legislation is particularly egregious on this front.

[–]windrunner 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A man's fear is still more important and relevant than a woman's despite our fear being more justifiable since transgender women usually commit crimes against women. Funny no?

[–]DifferentAirGC 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why don't they put TIMs on a separate wing/cell in males prisons?

[–]Omina_Sentenziosa 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because it's not validating.

[–]chrysthefeminist 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That would be another plus to putting them in separate wings in male prisons.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I still think the solution to trans inmates is so simple. Pick a prison, male or female, for a region. Make a wing for the trans inmates that allows them to talk but not share physical space with male inmates/female inmates, and separately keep the trans inmates so they don’t harm each other based on basic physical stature. Let the NB and TW and TM have their own wing in an existing prison and don’t socially intermingle them or at least not their intimate facilities like bathrooms. Wow, was that hard? “Wah separate but equal” fuck off prison isn’t your validation station, what matters is you can serve your sentence (if applied fairly) safely. You still: get acknowledged for what you are, don’t violate other prisoner’s rights, and are safer than being housed with males directly and female prisoners are safer than being housed with a man there. It’s significantly kinder than putting trans people into solitary confinement. I remember watching a documentary on a max security woman’s prison in the US. The women got a cell, and an hour in a cage every day and maybe some guard interaction and no social time. It’s interesting that TW often get transferred to lesser security women’s prisons because there are not enough high security women’s prisons. Wonder why ever that is, and why the prison system would be happy to build more?

(Remember whenever bathrooms come up, TIM love to claim women pose more of a threat to them than they do to us- but the very second it comes to prison they’re “safer” with women, can’t have it both ways.)

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You pointed up one of the major difficulties here by mentioning that prisons have different security levels. A lot of males who ID as trans are categorized as convicts who require a maximum security prison - a category that in many countries doesn't exist for female inmates, or if it does, the number of facilities and beds are very limited - or even a super-max prison, a category for violent offenders that in most of the world only exists in the male estate.

What's more, a large number of TIM convicts require not just max or super max security, they require speciality prisons for dangerous sex offenders specifically.

In England and Wales, for example, it was found in 2018 that whereas 19% of all male prisoners are doing time for sex crimes, nearly half the (48%) of TIMs in prison are convicted sex offenders - and male sex offenders in E & W are typically placed in separate specialist prisons.

In most countries, there is no way correctional systems built for female convicts can possibly deal with and accommodate TIM prisoners like Andrew Burns, now Tiffany Scott, branded one of the most dangerous inmates in Scotland's male prison system:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/1492364/transgender-prisoner-tiffany-scott-andrew-burns-dangerous-sheriff/

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/3316509/transgender-prisoner-tiffany-scott-riot/

https://www.womenarehuman.com/non-transitioning-male-transgender-inmate-demands-female-prison-guards-perform-strip-search/

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/transgender-prisoner-branded-one-scotlands-11837767