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[–]yousaythosethings 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Next up: Children born to non-Jewish parents can have Tay Sachs and you can have sickle cell disease and not be black. So I'm sure every public health communication regarding Tay Sachs will refrain from mentioning Jewish people and such communications about sickle cell disease will avoid mentioning black people/people of African descent, right? Right?

But you have to be female to become pregnant, and yet "female" and "woman" (adult human female) are taboo to mention because some "folk" who are objectively female/women don't want to be reminded of this fact, at the expense of everyone else in the category they are trying to distance themselves from, and because other "folk" who are objectively not female or women in any sense don't want to be reminded they're not at the expense of everyone in the category they are trying to forcibly and illogically insert themselves into. Just maybe when discussing women's issues, our primary concern should be neither (1) those trying to distance themselves from womanhood and (2) those trying to forcibly insert themselves into it when their very presence in the category would render the category of "women" meaningless.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Next up: Children born to non-Jewish parents can have Tay Sachs and you can have sickle cell disease and not be black.

Huh? It's long been known that while Tay Sachs is found predominantly amongst Jews, it's not exclusive to Jews; and whilst sickle cell trait and disease are most commonly found amongst black persons with African heritage, it's not exclusive to blacks either. Just as it's long been known that diseases that primarily affect northern Europeans, especially of Irish & Scottish descent, such as cystic fibrosis and hereditary hemochromatosis, are definitely not confined to these groups as once was thought.

Promulgating myths about these conditions only occurring within one race/ethnic group just helps perpetuate race/ethnicity exceptionalism. It also helps perpetuate a lack of awareness and racial prejudices that cause even people with clear symptoms of these diseases not to be tested for them and thus not to get properly diagnosed.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/non-jews-increasingly-hit-by-jewish-diseases-1.5319996

Approximately one in 30 Ashkenazi Jewish people carries the altered gene for Tay-Sachs disease. In addition, one in 300 individuals of non-Ashkenazi Jewish heritage is a carrier.

The disease has also been reported in some individuals of Italian, Irish Catholic, and non-Jewish French Canadian descent, especially those living in the Cajun community of Louisiana and the southeastern Quebec. In the general population, the carrier rate for the altered gene is approximately 1 in 250-300 people.

https://rarediseases.org/rare-diseases/tay-sachs-disease/

Similarly, lots of people who are not black have sickle cell trait and disease. SC trait and disease occur most frequently in people of sub-Saharan African descent and ethnicity, but they also occur in other ethnic and racial groups.

Sickle cell trait is an inherited blood disorder that affects 1 million to 3 million Americans and 8 to 10 percent of African Americans. Sickle cell trait can also affect Hispanics, South Asians, Caucasians from southern Europe, and people from Middle Eastern countries. More than 100 million people worldwide have sickle cell trait.

https://www.hematology.org/education/patients/anemia/sickle-cell-trait#:~:text=Sickle%20cell%20trait%20is%20an,people%20from%20Middle%20Eastern%20countries.

Sickle cell trait, and therefore SCD, is found more often in certain ethnic groups, including African Americans, Hispanics, South Asians, Southern European Caucasians, and Middle Easterners. In the United States, about 1 in 350-400 African American babies have sickle cell disease. Worldwide, it is estimated that there are 300 million people with sickle cell trait. About one-third of this number are in sub-Saharan Africa.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/12100-sickle-cell-disease

The differences between the two sexes are enormous and clear-cut. The genetic differences between different races and ethnicities, and their/our susceptibility to inherited diseases, are far less so.

[–]yousaythosethings 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You put a lot of effort into taking every element of my sarcastic post to mean the exact opposite. My entire point was that Tay Sachs and sick cell disease are even less exclusive and up until this point there has been no controversy associating them with those groups of people, so surely that's coming up next, with my point being that of course it's not. Because we all know there is something rotten in the state of Denmark about women specifically being targeted.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry, I did not pick up on your sarcastic tone! Obviously. As someone with direct experience of rare genetic diseases that once were thought to be specific to certain races and ethnicities who has worked with orgs like NORD to produce factual information, I didn't get the joke.

Sadly, even today in 2020, a vast number of people - including some in health care - still believe that Tay Sachs and sickle cell are confined to Jews and black people respectively. For your sarcasm to work or "land properly" in this instance, the whole world have to know already that this is obviously not true. Which unfortunately is not the case.

Again, apologies for not getting your sarcastic tone. When I try to joke on here, my meaning is often misinterpreted too.

[–]yousaythosethings 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No hard feelings!

[–]Avonlea 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I sent them a correction request on the article lol

[–]sisterinsomnia 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

National Geography also just wrote about 'pregnant people.' It has been mainstreamed. So the two sexes now are a) men and b) everyone who wishes to be something else.