When it comes to the Bathroom thing, what do you say about the Women who claim they have no problem with TIMs being in the restroom?

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[–]yousaythosethings 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I honestly think most think of them as or equivalent to small, delicate, effeminate gay men who are seeking refuge from violent, homophobic redneck men, since the classic profile of a transsexual male is an effeminate homosexual male. They have no idea the reality of the trans population because of the gag order surrounding any (ironically) intersectional/demographic analysis. They have no idea of autogynephilia. I didn't. But everyone who I've informed about AGP has their mind blown. However, in order for them to understand it, they need at least a basic understanding of cluster B personality disorders. Once they have that, everything they've heard suddenly starts clicking into place and they see the nature of the "activism" in an entirely new light.

Also, most women think the trans population is very, very low and that in many cases they would not be able to tell that someone was trans. They think of this as a fringe issue they don't understand, and so defer to others while they fall back on their instincts to be sympathetic and not appear like judgmental bitches.

[–]BiologyIsReal 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

While I never wanted to share the bathrooms with them (because they are still men), I did think TIMs were all effeminate gay men with self-hate issues. That was until I learned about the cotton ceilling and AGP, of course. It's no wonder transactivists try very hard to deny these things, because I think public support will plummet once more people hear of them. But what I still don't understand is, even if it were true that all TIMs are completely harmless, how so many women don't see that allowing them in the women's bathrooms it's a big loophole that sex offenders can easily exploit? That was first thing I though the first time I heard about the bathroom issue, back when I didn't know about AGP.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They have no idea of autogynephilia. I didn't. But everyone who I've informed about AGP has their mind blown. However, in order for them to understand it, they need at least a basic understanding of cluster B personality disorders. Once they have that, everything they've heard suddenly starts clicking into place and they see the nature of the "activism" in an entirely new light.

Unfortunately none of the people I know have that understanding so whenever I do mention AGP, they just don't get it and think I'm spending too much time on the internet and not in the real world.

Also, most women think the trans population is very, very low and that in many cases they would not be able to tell that someone was trans. They think of this as a fringe issue they don't understand, and so defer to others while they fall back on their instincts to be sympathetic and not appear like judgmental bitches.

Yes this is very true. Because while the internet may make it seem like TIMs are very common, they really aren't and so some women don't see the possibility of having their space invaded so it makes it easy for them to brush it off while getting woke points.

[–]yousaythosethings 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The knowledge of cluster B’s and especially narcissistic personality disorder truly is crucial. People who are not aware of these disorders have an entirely different world view. They cannot understand what would motivate monstrously callous behavior and so they write it off as hyperbole. You basically always have to test for how naive someone is about cluster b’s before getting into the worst aspects of gender activism. And if they have no knowledge you have to essentially prime them on that first. We should be in a time where people have more knowledge then ever of NPD because of Donald Trump but yes you still hear people say that they don’t understand what motivates him or ponder when he believes his own bullshit, when a basic understanding of narcissism easily answers all of this.

[–]Kai_Decadence[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What you said all makes sense and yeah unfortunately like I said, most people I've encountered in my personal life just don't have that knowledge. However I recently did kinda make some leeway with my brother... Sorta. During this whole Blaire white lying about that Trans Athlete scandal that is blowing up in his face, my brother has denounced his admiration for him and he told me that he didn't understand why Blaire lied and wasn't owning up to it at the time to where I commented that Blaire suffers from NPD, the signs are obvious from thinking highly of himself, never taking accountability for his actions, and giving a false sense of responsibility only when it benefits him (The Riley Dennis apology where he banked off it. Not that RJD is a good person, he's trash but it's obvious why Blaire apologized to him quickly as opposed to this athlete that took 2 weeks to give a half ass apology). My brother thought about it and he agreed with me when he actually thought about it, plus when I mentioned all the other scandals & lies that Blaire was caught up in.

Unfortunately he still thinks trans is real since he said that the Trans Athlete has his respect and that to him, he's a woman (eugh...) but it's a small start I guess lol.