New US study on Gender Diverse: Depression affected 78%, followed by anxiety (62.2%), personality disorder (22%), and post-traumatic stress disorder (14.6%). 58.5% experienced suicidal ideation, 22% attempted suicide, and 36.6% were victims of abuse.

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[–]justasking918273 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What really annoys me is how exactly these people always argue that they're only so distressed because their gender identity isn't respected and how trans people only feel so horrible because no one accepts their being trans-identified when all of the statistics I've seen so far point in the opposite direction, namely that they are severely mentally ill to begin with which is likely the reason for their gender confusion and issues.

[–]our_team_is_winning 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

they are severely mentally ill to begin

For sure they are, but like you've all said, they will claim it's because of discrimination. Somehow their mental illness will end if MINE begins by deluding myself that men are women, etc.

Since the centuries of "witch" persecution, I honestly don't think any other insanity has been so wholly embraced by society's "leaders" and laws. There's still debate over ergot poisoning being largely behind the physical behavior tied to the "witch" insanity in Europe (in addition to a misogynistic clergy and men wanting the land that older widows had inherited), but I do wonder if some of the poisons in our food these days could be fuelling the GenderInsanity ?

[–]justasking918273 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There are these conspiracy theories about how BPA which has estrogen-like/feminising effects might be a reason for the increase of the trans insanity but if anything this would only explain TiMs, not TiFs.

I feel like it's more of a bad mix of porn, too much internet, women being harassed and treated as inferior etc. and especially these things mixed with mental illness.

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But also there's been a tremendous amount of money poured into pushing transgenderism. Think of all the TV and movie shows, as well as other media, pushing the transgender activist agenda.

We know now that there are very rich people with both a personal and financial interest in transgender/gender ideology being normalized (I call them Trans, Inc) they are buying politicians, media, chairs in academia, etc.

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the Dr. Lisa Littman study out of Brown University (and other studies) also argue that it's gay, autistic, ADHD or troubled kids who transition, so in your order not vice versa the way trans activists argue.

[–]justasking918273 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

My impression from stories of detransitioners is that BPD often plays a role as well due to a general unstable sense of identity. I think that one study on trans-identified people and personality disorders that was posted here some time ago had a relatively high rate of BPD for TiFs at least if I remember correctly.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It would make sense to me, given what I see of them online, that TiFs have a higher rate of BPD and TiMs a higher rate of NPD, but I don't recall seeing an actual study of the former.

[–]peaked2020 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These statistics are worse than Holocaust victims. What other group has these problems?

[–]lefterfield 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not surprising, though. What we're really asking are about the mental illnesses of people who are likely to join manipulative cults.

[–]Monchichi 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From what I've seen on Twitter, this does not surprise me at all.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Far out the % of personality disorders is high. I knew it would be an elevated percentage, but I think this is the first US-based, longitudinal study that shows it.

[–]BEB[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There was an Iranian study that found TiMs had a high rate of Narccissitic Personality Disorder, which doesn't surprise me because most trans activists seem to be really full of themselves.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a high % with APD types stuff going on too. I was a bit iffy about the Iranian study by homosexuality is illegal there, however transition is not so people use transition to get out of criminal punishment. Good to see confirmation from a US study though.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just to clarify: homosexuality is not illegal in Iran, or most other places with anti-gay laws. Specific homosexual acts are. Even draconian codes of jurisprudence based on fundamentalist religious beliefs as represented by the Islamic Sharia and interpreted by Shia mullahs usually make a clear distinction between what people do and what they desire - and are grounded in an awareness that it's only realistic to prohibit people from committing certain actions/deeds rather than criminalizing having certain attractions and feelings.

[–]BEB[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What is APD?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

anti-social personality disorder.

[–]Skipdip 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I’ve read that bisexuals also have high rates of distress. (28% attempted suicide based on one Australian study) I think for this to be a solid argument we have to show that this is not the norm in comparison to any LGB. Because it’s easy for people to chalk this up to descrimination.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Can you provide a link?

Also, "high rates of distress" don't necessarily mean high rates of actual suicide attempts. Most of the so-called research on "attempted suicide" rates amongst the "LGBTQ" comes from people's unreliable self-reports in anonymous surveys. Lots of people claim they've attempted suicide when what they've actually done is had thoughts and desires for suicide, pressed on the accelerator for a moment, taken a few extra pills of some sort, engaged in "mild" cutting or similar measures.

Actual suicide stats don't indicate that bisexuals have high rates of suicide:

The Queensland Suicide Register holds records of all suicides in Queensland since 1990. All cases from 2000 to 2009 (inclusive; a total of 5,966 cases) were checked for potential indicators of individuals' sexual orientation and gender identification. A total of 35 lesbian (n = 10), gay (n = 22), bisexual (n = 2), and transgender (n = 1) suicide cases were identified.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24692051/

[–]Skipdip 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I heard about it initially on the BisexualRealTalk channel on YouTube. Here is the study he referenced https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15299716.2015.1111183?journalCode=wjbi20

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Huh? That link is to an abstract of a paper that says, in entirety:

Bisexual people experience monosexism, the privileging of sexual attraction to one sex or gender, from heterosexual, gay, and lesbian communities. The current study of 745 bisexual-identified participants explored their experiences of monosexism with heterosexual family members, heterosexual friends, gay family members, and gay friends. Results indicated that bisexual individuals reported significantly more discrimination from the heterosexual community in comparison to the gay or lesbian community, although the effect size was small. Acceptance of bisexuality from family and acceptance of bisexuality from friends were negative predictors of antibisexual discrimination. Clinical and research implications are discussed.

The abstract mentions neither "distress" nor "attempted suicide" amongst bisexual people. In your post that I challenged, you said bisexuals have "high rates of distress" and claimed that "an Australian study" showed that 28% of bisexual people have attempted suicide.

As a mostly het but occasionally same-sex attracted person, I have no doubt that bisexual people experience discrimination and exclusion. But we shouldn't conclude from this fact that as a result bi people suffer "high rates of distress" and attempt suicide at unusual rates (28%).

[–]Skipdip 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah to be honest that confused me as well when I looked at the abstract. But here I think I found the real one: https://www1.racgp.org.au/ajgp/2019/march/bisexual-mental-health