US Supreme Court denies Idaho's appeal, which was forced by lower courts to perform gender surgery on TiM child molester housed in a women’s prison

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[–]GCwarrior 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

Him being castrated is a good thing, keep this up.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

He committed the rape of the minor he's in prison for with his mouth, not his dick and balls. Losing his balls and having his genitals changed by way of surgical origami won't render him unable to commit further sexual assaults one bit. Men like this can and do continue to assault others, sexually and in non-sexual ways, using their mouths, their hands/fists as well as all sorts of objects.

His genital surgery also won't change the fact that this guy is a very large, strong man with a powerful build who can use his size and strength to intimidate, menace, overpower and beat people up the way his former BF says he often used to beat him up.

[–]GCwarrior 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

It will affect muscle strength too.

Voluntary chemical castration is very effective in treating pedophilia.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It will affect muscle strength too.

In males who have gone through puberty, testosterone reduction/diminishment/elimination does not appreciably diminish muscle strength. And it does nothing to change other aspects of post-pubescent male physiology - such as body size, speed, skeleton shape, grip strength, muscle twitch fibre responsiveness, lung & heart capacity, blood oxygen levels - that enable male sex predators to overpower children of either sex as well as most grown women.

Voluntary chemical castration is very effective in treating pedophilia.

The key word there is "voluntary." The pedophiles who've committed sex crimes against children who voluntarily submit to chemical castration are the ones who don't want to offend further. But they are the minority. And even in their cases, chemical castration has had mixed results.

But that's a side issue: most pedophiles who've committed sex offenses against children and other men who've committed sex crimes are not volunteering for chemical castration.

Finally, what supposedly works for people (men?) with pedophilia can't be assumed to be applicable to men convicted of raping 15-year-olds. Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children. This guy was convicted of raping a minor whose age was 15, not a prepubescent child.

[–]GCwarrior 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

All the authors of that paper are trans activists - professional ones. And that paper is not research - it's a review of the policies of sports bodies and a total of eight research articles. Go through the sources - almost all the papers are about gender dysphoria, not papers proving that testosterone reduction changes radically reduces male strength. Most don't even address that topic.

What's more, male strength doesn't merely come from muscle mass. It comes from the size of the body, the shape of the skeleton (wide shoulders and larger upper bodies, for example), the length & diameter of the bones, bone density, faster twitch fibers, greater cardiovascular capacity and so on.

Also, that paper is way outdated. Research from the Karolinska Institute published in 2020 found that men who take estrogen and medication to block their testosterone for 12 months actually lose very little muscle mass and strength:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31794605/

More here: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0226/v1

https://youtu.be/Ntjo67kjBrA

World Rugby did an exhaustive review of all the evidence and concur with the Karolinska Institute scientists:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/54484287

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/thats-ideology-not-science-renowned-sports-scientist-steps-in-on-transwomen-in-rugby-debate/

For the latest news on this, I suggest following Ross Tucker at Science of Sport on his website and on Twitter, and also Emma Hilton, @fondofbeetles.

[–]GCwarrior 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The video you linked to did go over how testosterone suression made males weaker while still being syronger than cis females but it did not demonstrate trans females to have an advantage in most sports.

Here is a study for trans females who underwent SRS

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18835591/

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

1) I provided 7 sources, and you complain about one. I don't think you looked at any of the others.

2) LOL with your habit of calling trans-identified males "trans females." These guys aren't females!

3) The study you provided compared 23 males who had "sex reassignment surgery" (whatever that means; it's not detailed) to 46 males of the same age and height who haven't had such surgeries.

Twenty-three M-->F transsexual persons, recruited from our gender dysphoria clinic and at least 3 yrs after sex reassignment surgery, together with 46 healthy age- and height-matched control men were included in this cross-sectional study.

4) The study found that males who had "sex reassignment surgery" (whatever that means) have lower muscle mass and higher fat than the males who didn't. However, the differences are not quantified.

5) Nobody is doubting that trans-identified males who surgically alter their anatomy and take drugs to alter their biochemistry and suppress testosterone often lose some muscle and gain some fat as a result, and thus are a bit weaker and softer than other males of their size and age, and compared to how they were previously. What all the experts are saying is that these changes are relatively small - and even after such changes, males who ID as trans still have HUGE advantages in sports over females.

6) Males who alter their bodies to make them weaker and flabbier than other males and to how they themselves were previously are just altered, flabbier, weaker males. They're not females! Not even close.

[–]GCwarrior 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

None of the studies linked looked at actual sport performance