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[–][deleted] 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Shared this on ovarit. I remember both of these incidents being posted here. She's brave to go on record.

perhaps a fellow employee, alerted Vanessa's boss, Mark Rodford, to her page. He called her out for posting "intolerant" content on Facebook. When she asked for an example, she says Rodford at first demurred, then finally, at her urging, pointed out a posting titled "I supported trans ideology until I couldn't anymore." Vanessa says he admitted to not having read the actual post, but insisted the title alone was sufficient to indicate it was harmful to trans people in "denying their reality." According to Vanessa, Rodford equated his employment of her with employment of a "racist."

Vanessa says she riposted that it is not intolerant to wish to protect women in their private spaces from sexual predators, nor should she be obliged to subscribe to the "religious belief" that surgery changes a person's biology. To this Rodford allegedly replied that this opinion was proof of her intolerance. (I informed Mark Rodford by email of Vanessa's allegations and invited his response as to their veracity, encouraging any further comments he cared to make regarding the incident, either by email or in a telephone interview, but I had no reply.)

To be clear, I have no wish for Mark Rodford or his business to be materially affected by this column. I am not calling for the mob to descend upon him in retaliation for his ill-considered treatment of Vanessa Vokey. I don't want The Cornerstone to lose a single takeout order on my account. Because that is not the way we anti-Wokesheviks operate. Indeed, I would have some sympathy for Mark Rodford if he had fired Vanessa because there was a mob of trans activists standing outside his restaurant screaming at him to do so on pain of a social media campaign denouncing him and his business. But there was no mob. He fired Vanessa off his own bat. So I have no sympathy whatsoever for him.

edit: Update found this via ovarit, Etsy reached out to Vanessa again and said the definition of woman is against their policies https://twitter.com/JessDeWahls/status/1316827224910295041

[–]diapason 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's insane how quickly we've all just accepted that your employer can fire you for something you've posted on FB. IMO it's really concerning for freedom of speech when only those who don't need to work (or get into school) are truly guaranteed it nowadays

Also:

"anti-wokesheviks"

XD

[–]yousaythosethings 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Presumably Etsy has also banned the sale of any item related to Harry Potter though, right?

No, of course they fucking haven’t. I would love to see JK Rowling call them out on it. They have more to lose than her.

Edit: Etsy overturned the decision, but the point stands. Any business or person that wants to cancel JK should not still allow themselves to profit or otherwise benefit from her. It’s hypocritical AF. If they really thought JK Rowling was the most abhorrent human being such that it is considered hatred and bigotry to express any support for her, then they should put their money where their mouth is and stop consuming or selling the fruits of her IP.

[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There should be a list of all the brands and organizations that are pushing this garbage so they can be avoided. Does that exist yet?

[–]blahblahgcer 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At this point it might be easier to make a list of brands NOT pushing it.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Hotter shoes ad is really pissing me off.

Put them on the list.

[–]Killer_Danish 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We truly are living in "1984 times" if truth and reason can get you fired.

[–]wecandobetter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy fuck

[–]maldita-sudaka 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unbelievable. This is against the law even in third world countries. I know because I am a citizen of a third world country.