Sanity on Reddit! Reddit overwhelmingly supports World Rugby trans ban

submitted by Femaleisnthateful from self.GenderCritical

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/j99ec6/world_rugby_bans_trans_women_from_elite_womens/

Refreshing to see how people truly feel when Reddit powermods aren't controlling the narrative. People are recognizing the reality and relevance of biological sex, and there are very few posts claiming 'transphobia'. There's even a section of the thread where posters are talking about how JK Rowling isn't transphobic.

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[–]emptiedriver 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

okay, I mean that was great but also kind of crazy! I feel like if things do turn around it's going to happen sort of suddenly and everyone will be like, "what, who ever said anything about trans women actually being women?? come on! Maybe a few whack jobs on twitter, some people kidding around on the internet, no one ever really meant it..."

There didn't even seem to be downvotes or counterpoints - everyone agreed as if it was obvious and common sense that of course trans women should not be in women's sports leagues, that was reality not any kind of bigotry, & you could fully support trans rights and still understand biological facts. Which, again, it's good to see people making sense, but it does make it feel pretty hard to trust any opinions you hear in the media or online...

[–]QueenBread 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I feel like it was all fun and games when they said "transwomen are women"...... until the whole thing started being applied to reality and everyday life. Then, it stopped being a fun game and everyone suddenly backpedalled into "ahahah like, no, I never said that!".

It's like that guy who trashtalks a dude in a bar, but actually denies every saying anything if the dude really stands up and walks to him.

[–]PinkDonut 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, I've noticed that even in super-genderist subreddits, you can get away with posting GC opinions (like criticizing makeup or porn or choice feminism, even stuff like this). If someone calls me on my TERFism, I just act confused and well meaning but stick to my guns and get upvotes for it lmao.

It really shows that people have no idea what GC people/radfems are about, they just read we're super evil on tumblr.

[–]GConly 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LOL. That was refreshing!

[–]hfxB0oyA 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only posted one day ago. I expect this post will be removed by the end of the week for heresy.

[–]Daraincork 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Its sort of counterintuitive that a macho sport like rugby is leading the way where others fear to tread. There again top rugby players have come out as gay to widespread support . That hasn't happened in soccer yet. At least men's soccer.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Its sort of counterintuitive that a macho sport like rugby is leading the way where others fear to tread.

It's not counterintuitive when you realize they are looking at the issue primarily from the safety angle. Rugby is incredibly dangerous - lots of life-altering, paralyzing injuries, and a good number of deaths. This is something everyone who plays and follows the sport knows.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/116610-rugby-one-of-the-most-dangerous-and-traumatic-sport

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/stories-men-women-children-killed-15199636

To allow males to play against females vastly increases the likelihood of a female player being killed or ending up the rest of her life in a wheelchair. The huge provable physical risk to females of letting TIMs into women's elite rugby outweighs the alleged, unquantifiable psychological benefit that might accrue to these males.

Moreover, no insurance company is going to provide coverage for leagues, teams and individuals involved in rugby competition where males are allowed to tackle, block, head butt, scrum with and generally go up against females - or females are allowed to do the same to males. Coz women can get gravely injured tackling, blocking, head butting or scrumming with males who are simply standing still and put up no resistance.

https://youtu.be/vdoU4cpf-tg

The governing body knows this, so even if they wanted to let TIMs into elite female rugby, their insurers would force them to prohibit it.

That's one of the reasons the world governing body has banned TIMs from elite level women's rugby only. On the face of it, lower-level rugby such as school teams and community clubs can still allow TIMs on female teams. But that's only theoretical, coz the insurance companies will tell them that if they do, their policies are null and void. Insurance companies don't put up with this kind of recklessness when it comes to such huge, needless safety risks that are completely preventable.

[–]yousaythosethings 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is such a refreshing comment and dose of reality. This is what happens when public discourse on transgenderism doesn’t get censored. I’ve never met a person who openly said that trans women should be able to compete in women’a sports. It is wildly unpopular. Unfortunately this deeply irrational position is reflecting terribly on gay people.

[–]redditbegay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those replies are really hilarious in that thread.

Explain to me the relationship between bone density and sports performance? Detail how greater bone density in athletes results in improved sporting outcomes

Lol...

[–]MonstrousRegiment 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This comment made me laugh tho

I think the main reason these kinds of things turn into a shitshow is because the message gets muddied real quickly. You've got the people with a genuine argument or concern and then you have actual transphobes coming in and agreeing with them. Then the activists see the vocal transphobes and assume the entire issue is because of that. Then you get a bunch of arguing. Hell, you can even see it in this thread if you look just a couple comments down.

[–]No_ 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe this will cause other organizations to follow, one can only hope.