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[–]materialrealityplz 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

:( That's so sad. Why regress to this... bullshit of not being a woman if you don't conform. :/

[–]jet199 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because the underlying problem hasn't been solved, the pressure on women to conform to the ideal of women.

And frankly it's not just the patriarchy or media or lib fems who are a problem. The people trying to police the language and behaviour of GC women within the movement are also a problem. Most of you have an ideal of what women should be and you need to face up to the fact this this a very negative thing for the women around you and not a great, fun show of solidarity to your sisters because it makes people feel good temporarily. Any "women are all ...", "women would never ...", "men are this, women are that", "this person types like a man" etc is going to be hurting some women who don't fit into your perfectly organised world.

People need to realise GNC behaviour is behaviour. It's a difference in actions, personality and worldview not fashion choices and haircuts. The difference in fashion comes from the different behaviour and values. If you are open to women dressing however they like but intolerant of harmless but different behaviour (which you might read as difficult or even unacceptable if you are particularly sheltered) you aren't really doing gnc women any favors. That's the wrong focus, surface level tolerance only.

This is why I avoid female only spaces while everyone here thinks they are the answer to all women's problems. I don't fit. It's made known to me I don't fit. It triggers gender dysphoria. I'm not really weird or crazy, just a little bit different but that's enough. It's always been the company of other girls then women which has pushed me towards not identifying as a woman, not the media or patriarchy.

In mean we see the same thing with ASD and ADHD girls getting ROGD now. If you are awkward, loud, weird, you don't belong as a woman, we'll put you in the trans box to explain your lack of conformity. I've actually had a teen girl on reddit admit she targets awkward girls in her school to groom them into being trans. Her argument was that she turns quiet, weird, excluded girls into popular, nice, thoughtful boys who are then happy because they are accepted by their peers that way. This wasn't shocking to me because I was targeted by similar girls at school. We didn't have the trans cult then so they're try other ways to fix you, take you into their enlightened circle, tell you you were interesting and just needed to open up a bit or be nicer or more together, then give up in a rage when nothing worked.

When feminists exclude lazy, messy, chaotic, aggressive, loud, cynical, social inept women we can pretend women are all super organised, hard working, socially astute, responsible saints. Then we can believe we are better, which feels good, and because we are better we can try guilting society into giving us the equality and protections we want rather than making the argument on merit and doing the hard work.

[–]jelliknight 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I avoid female only spaces while everyone here thinks they are the answer to all women's problems. I don't fit.

When feminists exclude lazy, messy, chaotic, aggressive, loud, cynical, social inept women we can pretend women are all super organised, hard working, socially astute, responsible saints

There are better women only spaces to be in. They're worth finding.

[–]FilthyHomo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It’s like finding a therapist. You have to try multiple on and then one will just feel right and you’ll open up

[–]jet199 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Might be a cultural issue as well. I'm the type of person who always gets asked how long they've been in the country when I was born here. Maybe one of the reasons there's more transition in the anglosphere is there's more social exclusion, definitely more bullying. More tolerance for difference in background but less tolerance for difference in character.