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[–]crazyangryfemale 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is an honest & provocative deconstruction. It confronts the nature of TRA arguments with ease. I haven’t seen anyone suggest “spirituality” as the foundational partner of their (loose & fast) “medical” arguments. It doesn’t surprise me that I haven’t seen it before, given science (reality) is yet still eschewed in favor of ignorance & delusion.

I saved it for the future. I already know I’m going to consult it tomorrow, bc the antithetical nature of the spiritual/medical argument is something that occupies a lot of my criticism towards 12-step programs’ overwhelming presence as a blanket solution to addiction — despite it being a spiritual program with a spiritual approach towards addiction that cannot co-exist alongside the current disease model. I talk often with other gender critical addicts & can’t wait to discuss this with them. It’s actually strange to meditate on the similarities between AA/TRA communities. (No coincidence obviously that many of these men - TIMs - are addicts).

Thank you for taking the time to craft this. Perhaps a little over-dramatic of me...but I think bc you gave language to illusory feelings I had — about how addiction is treated & what this means for myself & others — I’m extra appreciative. Your thoughts & ideas will stay with me for a long time. I’m very grateful for that. Thank you.

[–]assignedcopatbirth[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Not being over-dramatic at all! I'm so glad this was valuable to you. I've never experienced the AA model so I never really clicked how strange it is that a spiritual program is considered the standard treatment for a medical issue. The parallels are really fascinating, if not depressing at the same time.

Thank you for taking the time to leave this comment, it feels good to know I made something helpful, makes the couple of hours I took away from work and 'real life' worth it :)

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks for this OP!

My one quibble is that I'm not sure that the labels of the two categories you set up as contradictory - spiritual vs medical - work. The opposing viewpoints you're labelling are perhaps better described as: physical vs psychological, material vs imaginary, rational vs spiritual, evidence-based vs faith-based...

I know lots of people who'd describe themselves as deeply "spiritual" who still would avail themselves of all medical and psych services available should the need arise.

[–]CastleHoward 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is an impressive arguments. Bravo!

[–]assignedcopatbirth[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you! Good to get it all out on "paper" as it were