Trans women not being safe in men's spaces as an argument for them being let into women's places

submitted by RedditHatesLesbians from self.GenderCritical

I really hate this argument because... Okay. Sort your shit out then? Why are you using women as a buffer for the male violence you're subject to? We have our own spaces because yes, some men are violent, and we had to fight long and hard to get sex segregated bathrooms and basic rights. Women still get murdered en masse every day around the world primarily by men. Similarly, when men are murdered its almost always by other men, and when trans women are murdered (as in the case of trans prostitutes) you guessed it it's also men. This is something you should be sorting out. Why is male behavior seen as immutable and unchangeable while women are expected to accommodate your every whim and protect you? Change our language, give up our protection, just to make you feel safe, but ohhh no of course we couldn't possibly look at the source of such a threat and try to fix that instead. It's ridiculous.

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[–]BEB 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why should women be forced to act as human shields for men who claim to have a disconnect between mind and body?

Beyond that, the famous "I JUST WANNA PEE" trans-ally argument is that there are laws protecting women in bathrooms, so men who enter women's toilets and harm women under the new laws letting TiMs in, will eventually face justice.

Which proves how D.U.M. trans demands activists are, because there are laws against assaulting men too, so if a TiM gets assaulted in a men's toilet his assailant will also eventually face justice.

The difference is that the TiM might get beaten up, chances are the women will get beaten up and sexually assaulted, which has been known to result in pregnancy. TiMs will never face pregnancy as a result of assault.

Also, in order NOT to get beaten up, all TiMs have to do is simply change their appearance. In fact, TiMs simply have to change their appearance and their oppression completely disappears.

In the US, women walk around dressed like men about 70% of the time and that doesn't stop us from getting raped and assaulted, so changing our appearance doesn't make our oppression disappear.

Again, why are women expected to act as human shields because men who want to wear dresses feel they need protection from other men?

If they get attacked in a man's toilet, well, there are laws for that.

Or, don't wear dresses until society sorts itself out. The hundreds of millions Trans, Inc. is spending to destroy women's rights, safety and sports worldwide could be spent ensuring TiMs have safe spaces and working on society to accept gender non-conforming men.

Instead, Trans, Inc. and the dodo trans activists who do their grunt work, want Gilead.

[–]materialrealityplz 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's also just funny that they recognize males are dangerous... but then let males into women's spaces.

A male identifying as a women doesn't make him 'safe'.

[–]DistantGlimmer 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Their whole argument is "men are dangerous, even other transwomen are dangerous but not me!" I'm special and need to be protected and of course, I'd never be a danger to women." It's so manipulative and narcissistic.

[–]missdaisycan 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's a lie. A lie. It's just another thing to toss out there to evoke sympathy for themselves in their self-declared oppression olympics. If TW were truly concerned with their safety, third facilities should be acceptable, right?

[–]Daraincork 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes it is . In one of my jobs ( roadsweeper) I had no option but to use a public convenience which was a well known cottage. Considering it was in a pretty rough part of London you might have expected a bit of friction , no pun intended. But nobody paid any heed to lads in make up etc. The trans lack of enthusiasm for separate facilties for themselves or even unisex is a bit revealing isn't it?

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Clarification for those not familiar with UK-specific parlance: in British English "cottage" is a verb that means to partake in (male) homosexual acts in a public toilet facility, aka a loo or what in the US/NA is called a bathroom.

[–]WildwoodFlower 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's telling that when someone offers gender neutral, single stall toilets/locker rooms as a reasonable compromise, trans women reject that and claim it's the same as making black women use a separate rest room. Uh, no it isn't.

[–]Shesstealthy 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I am one who has no issue with a transwoman who is obviously a) trying to present as a woman b) goes in and pees and leaves like the rest of us using women's toilets. I want to know why people with actual full beards and bald heads who look like everyday blokes think they will be unsafe in a men's toilet.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But it's really not about whether you, me or any other individual girl or woman personally has an issue with it. You can't give consent for the entire female population. Lots of girls and women feel differently to how you feel. Their right to privacy, dignity, safety, and peace of mind is not yours to give away.

[–]Shesstealthy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Good point.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, in the US, toilets don't go floor to ceiling and there's a crack in the door too. It's very easy to peak into a toilet, in fact, it's harder not to peak.

I actually kind of prefer US toilets if men are going to be allowed in, because I would be scared that a man would push a woman into a floor-to-ceiling enclosed cubicle and lock the door, whereas in the US another woman entering the toilet could easily see a sexual assault was taking place.

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They won't get the "gender euphoria" in the men's room. Also ever notice small, feminine gay men have never petitioned en masse to be let into the woman's room?

[–]Eurowoman24 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

funny no one cares about non-violent men and their safety from the violent ones

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also, the TRAs never complain about those who truly are "the most vulnerable" in male public toilets - unescorted little boys age 8 and up who are too old to use the ladies loos any more; very short and non-muscular men; skinny and pretty tween and teen boys early in puberty; some "feminine" and slight gay boys and men; elderly and frail men; boys men with impaired sight and hearing; autistic boys and men; boys and men who are so drunk and stoned they can't defend themselves ...

[–]Eurowoman24 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

that's very true!