TRA orgs backpedaling on "born in the wrong body"

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[–]adolf512 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The main camps are

Transmed: it's about treating gender dysphoria

tucute: it's about gender identity

This hasn't changed.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The main camps are

Transmed: it's about treating gender dysphoria

tucute: it's about gender identity

This hasn't changed.

Yes it has changed. Trans advocacy organizations like Mermaids are not just claiming that they never meant the "born in the wrong body" spiel to be taken seriously or literally, they're also now claiming that being trans (in kids) has nothing to do with preferences for certain kinds of toys, games, clothing, playmates, "gender roles" or sex stereotypes associated with the other sex, and rejection of the toys, games, clothing, playmates, roles, stereotypes associated with one's own sex.

Since the currently accepted diagnostic criteria for childhood gender dysphoria requires a child to have these preferences and aversions, once those are removed from the clinical criteria, there is no such thing as childhood gender dysphoria!

Same goes for adult and adolescent gender dysphoria, whose clinical criteria are just as dodgy - and just as much based on desires and preferences for the sex stereotyped trappings associated with the opposite sex as childhood GD. To get a clinical dx of adult or adolescent GD rests entirely on desires & preferences for sex stereotypes, and/or the inner "conviction" that one's "feelings" and "reactions" are "typical" of the opposite sex and that one's own "experienced/expressed gender" (whatever the hell that is) is incompatible with one's sex.

To have "gender dysphoria" both the individuals who supposedly have the condition and all the doctors/therapists doing the diagnoses and providing the treatment all have to believe in the wooly notion of "gender identity" and embrace all the regressive sex stereotypes and magical thinking and denial of reality it's based on.

The whole thing is a house of cards. And the wind is blowing...

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    [–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The dsm-5 criteria is indeed problematic but that's true for all mental disorders, nothing there is based on any good evidence.

    It's totally not true that "all mental disorders" in the DSM are described in the vague, repetitive, totally unverifiable way that gender dysphoria is. GD relies entirely on patients' whims and insistence; there are no objective criteria.

    By contrast, the diagnosis of most other conditions require that specific, clearly defined symptoms be present, many of which are verifiable by observation and objective evidence.

    And your claim that "nothing there is based on any good evidence" is a total bullshit LIE.

    Major depressive disorder for example:

    https://www.mdcalc.com/dsm-5-criteria-major-depressive-disorder

    Schizophrenia:

    https://www.psycom.net/schizophrenia-dsm-5-definition/

    Obsessive-compulsive disorder:

    https://www.aafp.org/afp/2015/1115/afp20151115p896.pdf

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519704/table/ch3.t13/

    Even contentious, recently added mental health issues like "complicated grief" have been hashed over and vigorously debated by professionals and patients in an effort to clearly define and describe the condition.

    Although the criteria is still being argued about, complicated grief is not just a matter of an individual's preference and desire for happier times and conviction that "death isn't real" or "loss sucks" the way GD is based on a person's preferences and desires for toys, clothing, roles and sex stereotypes associated the opposite sex. Nor is it simply coz a person has a "conviction" about his or her experienced/expressed fantasy self and what he or she believes to be true of the inner lives of other people based solely on what the person imagines and assumes others' inner lives to be like rather than on making an attempt to ask, inquire about or investigate what other people experience. In complicated grief, the death/loss of a real person in the individual's life has to have occurred - that's a prerequisite.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3075805/