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    [–]adolf512 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Her is a case of a transwoman being sent home after having 'female hart attack symptoms'

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-melissa-edes-fiance-reveals-16021127

    [–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Uh, no. The symptoms described in that article are symptoms that males and females can and do experience during heart attacks.

    The fact that heart disease and heart attacks sometimes manifest differently in males & females does not mean members of the two sexes always have entirely different symptoms, and there is no overlap. They can and often do have the same symptoms. It's just that females often have additional symptoms that men don't have as frequently or commonly, and vice versa - and since medicine's understanding of heart disease and attacks has been based mostly on studying men, the additional symptoms that some women suffer were not traditionally recognized as evidence of a possible heart attack until about 15 years ago.

    Another big difference is age: males and females can have the exact same type of CVD, but women generally are a full decade older than men when they have their first heart attack.

    Traditional understanding of CVDs and heart attacks also came from looking mostly at men in their 40s and 50s who tended to have massive sudden heart attacks with the "classic" symptom of acute, debilitating chest pain that once was seen as the telltale sign of a heart attack. As many women didn't/don't present with that kind of chest pain, they were traditionally not seen as possibly having a heart attack. But interestingly, now that adults of both sexes and a broader range of ages are also being/have been studied, it's been found that amongst seniors and the elderly heart attacks without chest pain are fairly common. The older a person is, the less likely he or she will present with the "classic" symptom of acute, sudden chest pain.

    Women are more likely than men to have heart attack symptoms unrelated to chest pain, such as: Neck, jaw, shoulder, upper back or abdominal discomfort; Shortness of breath; Pain in one or both arms; Nausea or vomiting; Sweating; Lightheadedness or dizziness; Unusual fatigue; Indigestion

    But note the careful wording: it says women are more likely than men to have symptoms other than chest pain that can be in addition to chest pain or without it, not that only women have these other symptoms. Men can and do have these other too, they just tend have them less commonly.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/in-depth/heart-disease/art-20046167

    https://theheartfoundation.org/2017/03/29/heart-attack-men-vs-women/

    https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/news/20050218/men-vs-women-confusion-over-heart-symptoms#1

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/heart-attack-symptoms-women-are-they-different

    https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/heart_attack.htm

    [–]adolf512 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I didn't see any proper study referenced in any of the links.

    [–]889250 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    First of all great username.

    You got banned from an entire sub, a sub called TWO X CHROMOSOMES, for saying something that could potentially save trans womens lives? A sub that is named after a biological reality no less. Fuck that.

    [–]adolf512 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    What's your source for that?

    [–]adolf512 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    [–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    First you post a tabloid story you claim shows recounts the "case of a transwoman being sent home after having 'female hart attack symptoms' "

    Now, you post a source that says no such thing as "female heart attack symptoms."

    I think you are confusing things. To paraphrase my other post about heart attack on this thread: the research shows that women are more likely than men to have symptoms other than/in addition to chest pain, not that only women have these other symptoms; men can and do have them too, just less commonly.

    [–]adolf512 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    you missed the '

    [–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No, I saw the inverted commas. My statements still stand.