A Fun Friendly Chat with Debbie Hayton

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[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do Arty and Debbie discuss and explore Debbie's autogynephilia in any depth? Or at all? And the impact of Debbie's AGP and self-centeredness on Debbie's (female) wife and (female) daughters?

Has Debbie disavowed or tried to correct the trans-supremacist UK school guidance that Debbie helped author, and which says males should be given access to female toilets, changing rooms, and showers in schools based on their gender-identity claims? And says males should have this "right" even if they just occasionally identify as "feminine"?

https://twitter.com/pankhurstem/status/1272131652253294594?lang=en

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3938537-NASUWT-Trans-Equality-in-Schools

Wonder if Artie thought to ask Debbie if Debbie still believes that Debbie's "transition" was a boon for women in STEM. Seems to be so, coz Debbie's website still contains this boast from 2016:

What can be done to increase the number of women in physics? This question keeps committees busy and researchers funded, but the solution seems as elusive as squaring the circle. Four years ago, however, I did my bit: I transitioned from male to female.

https://debbiehayton.wordpress.com/page/10/

I am so sick of seeing videos of male people like Artie having discussions with other male people like Debbie in which they discuss what girls & women are and what rights and boundaries these male people think we should be "allowed" to have, and then these males being lauded as being "progressive" and "inclusive" for doing so. Makes me fucking furious.

[–]Tovasshi[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, they discuss Debbie's AGP. They're both against child transition. Debbie also admits that they're against self-ID and thinks women should have spaces without transwomen. Debbie didn't legally change their sex and doesn't view themself as a genuine woman.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thanks. Maybe now I'll consider watching.

But do Hayton and Artie discuss AGP in depth? And its effect on others? And how offensive it is to girls and women? Did Artie push and probe on this? On all other interviews I've seen Hayton do with male interviewers - Glinner, Boyce - Hayton is allowed to control the convo. Hayton gets away with acknowledging Hayton's AGP, but then changes the subject, skirting the bulk of the important issues at hand, such as how men's AGP affects the females in their own lives - and girls and women's rights more generally.

But again, thanks for answering. Artie seems like a decent guy, but he's not a feminist or a probing interviewer; rather he seems like he's become publicly GC mainly to challenge the homophobia of trans ideology - and good on/for him for that - and also to make new friends. As the title "A Friendly Chat with Debbie Hayton" shows.

The convo I'd like to see Hayton have would be with Dr Em, Tinsel Angel, Germaine Greer, Julie Burchill or the many other women who are much more equipped to delve much deeper below the surface - and to show the personal and wider impacts of AGP on the female populace, and to question the current ethos of men like Hayton being lionized just coz they admit they have AGP.

I have no personal animus towards Hayton. But I have learned that when AGP men like Hayton are included, heard and centered in women's meetings, feminism and GC discourse, then the women these men were or are married to/involved with, as well as the girls and women they have fathered, end up being excluded, alienated, sidelined and, in effect, silenced.

[–]Tovasshi[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They talk about how trans activism hurts women and girls. Their view is that women should be the ones setting the terms of who can be a woman and who can enter which spaces and when. Hayton said they used to be all TWAW no exceptions because that's what was expected, but after discovering Blanchard's work on AGP, their perspective on everything changed. They explain male sexuality and how it influences AGP. They believe that if Blanchard's work was more accepted and AGP was more talked about, we'd have less problems for everyone involved.