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[–]materialrealityplz 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Feminism has already won women lots of stuff though... without needing to put men in it somewhere.

[–]yishengqingwa666 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cut his stupid ass off. He is a misogynist moron.

https://icemountainfire.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/men-are-not-broken/

[–]radishe 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He really kind of proved your point, didn't he?

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[–]marmalade 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds like he just wants to live by his own definitions regardless of reality. You'd be a lot happier without him, I wager.

[–]purrfect 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I don't get why TRAs and MRAs whine so much about feminism not including men. Isn't liberal feminism "all about the penis"? Why can't they be happy with that? No, they want total capitulation from radical feminists as well.

Imagine the same arguments with any other movement. "Unions should fight for CEO's rights, too!" "Why aren't mosques open to catholic praying?!?" Nope, it's women's liberation movements that need correcting and be "inclusive".

[–]meranii 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Talking to anti-feminist men like that is a fool's errand, sadly. They only "discuss" things to bolster their assumption that they are right and to stroke their own ego. They have no skin in the game, don't waste your time on him.

[–]tuesday 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

That's exactly what idiots say about racism. IE "discussions about racism doesn't include enough opinions of white people and plus, it's divisive to talk about who has power over whom and who doesn't".

The sad thing is, for many of the people who say that, they actually do believe it. They genuinely don't understand the concept of power imbalance between classes of people, or see how just being white in a society which prioritizes whiteness is a privilege. They only see problems in individuals, and of course, "he has it worse than a lot of well-off black people".

I used to get so frustrated and think, gawd these people are stupid. Now I just accept it: yes, if you were to test their IQ you'd find that they really are a bit below average. You can't use big words with these people, or fancy sociological terms. They also hate the word "racism" and "racist", those words are like pouring gasoline on a fire. With the man in the OP's example, I'd start further back, by repeatedly asking in different ways, how often does he actually listen to the people he is assuming that HE HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR. He doesn't even realize he's doing that, so you have to start there. And of course, if you could ever get him past that part, you'd find that the only black voices he listens to, are "too angry, too blunt, too accusatory, too triggering". It never ends with these people. There's always a reason which explains why he shouldn't listen to the people HE ASSUMES HE HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK FOR.

It is the exact same dynamic with sexism. I personally don't have the patience to deal with them. Good luck to anybody who does!

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[–]yishengqingwa666 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, NAMALT, NATALT, NAAALT. Male 'logic' is worthless, and male 'arguments' are cliches.

"Spread love". Manslation: "Shut up and agree with all my unhinged bullshit, stupid female." Because as we all know, disagreement is hate and violence to unhinged males and TIMs.