Ob/Gyn says: "You're assigned a sex at birth"

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[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I can't believe even doctors are conflating sex and gender. I wouldn't trust this person with my health.

[–]TurkishCoffee 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This is what i dont understand. why are doctors and biologists on board with sex as a social construct?

I'm definitely not trusting an ob/gyn who can't tell the difference between born male and born female people...

[–]Lady_Montgomery 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They are literally afraid to lose their job. Being transphobic is the worst crime imaginable. You're better off raping a 3 month old baby. I kid you not.

[–]TurkishCoffee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sad. but i believe it.

[–]chrysthefeminist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow. That makes me mad.

[–]Comatoast 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. As soon as I saw her vid up for this, she lost all further credibility to me.

[–]SharpTomorrow 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, the problem is that anybody that accepts the idea of "gender" will always make absurd statements like these. It is because that person believes in gender theory that they made that statement about "sex". Someone who rejects gender theory will never have this problem.

[–]MarkTwainiac 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"It's important that we include everyone in our broad discussion of health care."

Uh, no. Discussions of health care need to be tailored and specific coz that's how science is supposed to work. And coz many biological processes and medical conditions are sex and age specific; some health conditions are specific to, or most prevalent amongst, people with certain ethnicities as well.

When taking young kids to the pediatrician, it would be a total waste of time to ask for them to be screened for Alzheimer's or adult-onset diabetes.

What's more, many diseases and medical conditions that occur in both sexes often have a very different presentation, set of symptoms, lab values, and trajectory depending on whether one is male or female - and therefore the treatments for these conditions vary based on the patients' sex too. Even in very young kids, there are cancers where the length of chemo is vastly different due to the child's sex.

Covid-19 is a perfect example of a disease that both sexes and all ages can get, but it affects males and females very differently, and is much more likely to be serious and perhaps fatal if you're over 70 than if you're a child or young or middle-aged adult.

[–]anonymale 15 insightful - 8 fun15 insightful - 7 fun16 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

The followup will be called "I had my spine removed and I've never felt better!".

[–]BEB 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

In all seriousness, have these "assigned at birth" spouters ever heard of ultrasounds?

Also, sex testing now is available in the first or beginning of the second trimester, what kind of doctor would rely on her eyes when they could just test?

A doctor bought off by Big Pharma and Trans, Inc....

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's not just fetal ultrasounds that have been in wide and customary use for decades. Amniocentesis has been around since the 1960s, and in the US it used to be routine if the mother was over a certain age or had a certain family or personal health history.

What's more, sex testing in the first trimester has been around for decades too. Genetic testing through CVS (chorionic villi sampling) became available in the late 1980s; I had it done at 8.5 weeks in 1990 (for reasons other than sex testing, but the lab and my doctor knew the sex - my partner & I chose not to know).

Today, first trimester fetal chromosome testing can be done from 9 weeks on through the NIPT, which requires just a standard draw of the mother's blood from the arm; no invasive procedure is required.

The availability of relatively cheap sex testing in the first trimester is one of the factors facilitating the widespread abortion of female fetuses in places like India and Pakistan. From female infanticide to female feticide - that's supposedly "progress." /s

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks! It's been a while since I had to deal with this, thanks Goddess.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're welcome, LOL.

One other point: all these "assigned at birth" spouters also don't seem to be aware - or are willfully choosing to ignore - that in many countries today, all newborns are required to have blood taken (usually from the foot) soon after birth so it can be sent to a lab to be tested for a variety of genetic diseases/conditions. Many of which are sex specific! For example

Almost every child born in the United States undergoes state-mandated newborn screening. For each state, a small blood sample (“heel stick”) is collected from each newborn within 48 hours of birth and sent to a laboratory for testing for a panel of genetic disorders. Newborn screening programs may screen for up to 50 diseases, including phenylketonuria (PKU), sickle cell disease, and hypothyroidism.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK132148/

This sort of screening was first introduced in 1963.

I was involved in the push to get states in the US to screen neonates for severe combined immunodeficiency disease (SCID) aka "bubble boy disease," which if not treated/counteracted by a bone marrow transplant early in life will invariably lead to death prior to puberty. SCID is most commonly caused by an error on the X chromosome and as a result, SCID occurs much more commonly amongst males than females:

A genetic disorder is X-linked if the disease-causing gene is on the X chromosome. The X chromosome is one of the two sex chromosomes; females have two X chromosomes and males have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome. In males, one mutated copy of the disease-causing gene causes signs and symptoms of the disorder because they do not have another X chromosome with a working copy of the gene. In females, having one copy of the disease-causing gene would make them a carrier without the genetic disorder; a mutation would have to occur in both copies of the gene to cause the disorder. This is why X-linked recessive disorders, including X-linked SCID, occur much more frequently in males.

https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/7628/severe-combined-immunodeficiency#:~:text=Inheritance,-Listen&text=SCID%20can%20be%20inherited%20in,is%20on%20the%20X%20chromosome%20.

The labs that run these tests don't necessarily perform sex chromosome testing on all the neonate blood samples they're analyzing, but they sure could in a heartbeat.

All these people today who say "nobody knows their chromosomes" and "who ever thinks of/worries about their chromosomes?" are just revealing to the world that they are idiots with limited life experience who've a) never been a pregnant woman or an informed and appropriately concerned father-to-be; b) they've never spoken to parents, parents-to-be or medical professionals about such matters coz such matters have never seemed important to them; c) they all come from families fortunate not to have histories of genetic diseases; d) they all grew up and now live in environments where people with genetic diseases and their relatives have been systematically excluded and all awareness/memory of them has been erased.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't even know it is standard to test for genetic disorders, but I think it's a good thing. Some disorders can go unnoticed and will result in unnecessary deaths for treatable disorders if they had only tested for it.

Thanks for providing the science. Do you work in that field?

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I don't work in that field. But I come from a large family where two siblings died very young coz of a genetic disease (cystic fibrosis), and the rest of us have turned out to have a host of other genetic defects and disorders (one of which caused another of our siblings to die prematurely). As a result, we've long been strong advocates for genetic screening as early as possible. Some defects can be counteracted/cured in utero. Other once-fatal genetic conditions like "bubble boy disease" can be cured if the condition is discovered in early infancy and treated with other interventions in the first two years of life.

[–]Shesstealthy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

More likely just doing it for the clicks imo

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I did a little research on Mama Doctor Jones; she wants a BRAND. She even has mugs. And she seems to be getting it with hundreds of thousands of YouTube views.

But Big Pharma/Big Medicine is buying up doctors and medical associations in the US to pressure them to encourage transition of children especially.

Jennifer Bilek at The11thHourBlog.com and Sue Donym on Medium do a great job exposing the scary money and policy trails of Trans, Inc.

Here's one excellent piece by Sue Donym. If you click on "Sue Donym" under the article's title, you will see their other excellent pieces:

https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984/the-new-conversion-therapy-how-homophobic-quackery-is-targeting-children-a1f6f67ca3fd

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I thought Medium was kinda pro-trans cult?

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IIRC, Medium has censored GC articles, but leaves a surprising amount up.

Sue Donym, who publishes on MEDIUM, has done excellent, exhaustively well-researched articles on the gender lobby, and gender ideology.

Just search under Sue Donym and MEDIUM and you can find the articles.

[–]Spicylikegumbo 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

LOL at one of the top comments from a guy that says "people who menstruate" is the more accurate term since some women can't menstruate but they are no less women. Um...that statement did nothing to justify the term "people" over "women." It would make even more sense to say women who menstruate in that case.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think "menstruators" and "people who menstruate" is more exclusive than using women in these instances. For example, not all menopausal women have been inductrinated into this "new speak" and may not be aware it means them. They regards themselves as women as they have always done, during their menstruating years and before. Suddenly they are in a different category of "woman" then they were before. This is needlessly confusing.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

For example, not all menopausal women have been inductrinated into this "new speak" and may not be aware it means them. They regards themselves as women as they have always done, during their menstruating years and before.

We post-menopausal woman don't simply "regard ourselves" as women, we know that since menarche and reaching legal majority, we've always been women. Also coz a lot of other reasons, such as all the human beings we've grown in our wombs and brought into the world through our vaginas or our abdomens (in the case of CS).

Most female human beings nowadays who live out our full life expectancy will spend as much or more of our lives without the capacity to ovulate and menstruate as with this ability. The average age of human menarche is 11, average age of menopause is 51. That's 40 years. But in much of the world today, the normal female lifespan is more than double this. In many countries today, it's 89!

This new terminology that's been made up by misogynistic, covetous young men no one else wants to have sex with isn't just "needlessly confusing" - it's incredibly insulting to real girls and women of all ages.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You are right. "Regard" was the wrong word to use. I apologize.

[–]sisterinsomnia 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So silly. Sex is assigned when the egg and sperm meet, and most expecting parents know it before the baby is born. TRAs stole the term from the time when intersex babies sometimes had a sex assigned to them. It's appropriation from a marginalized group.

[–]slushpilot 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There needs to be a word for misusing rare DSDs (disorders of sexual development) and genetic abnormalities as a human shield against non-sequitur transgender arguments.

What percentage of transgender people are actually intersex? ...Right.

So shut up about "science" because these conditions are not remotely relevant to the people & issues we're actually talking about.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Intersex activists and organizations have specifically asked the transgender lobby to stop using them.

In return, Stonewall, the British former gay rights, now trans demands, group, has just started pretending it's fighting for intersex rights too. There is no one and nothing Trans, Inc. won't use to achieve its nefarious ends.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The word "intersex" really needs to be binned, as it's entirely inaccurate and promotes the false idea that the various conditions it supposedly covers generally cause people to have sex organs and other characteristics of both sexes, and therefore to be mixed sex or of neither/no sex. Which is precisely the sort of harmful hogwash that the gender ideologues are trying to spread.

And IMO, even the term that's preferred today - "DSDs" - seems to be way too broad and undifferentiated to be fit for (the) purpose(s) for which it is employed, whether by the gender ideologues who've appropriated it to sow confusion, or by persons who have DSDs themselves and their advocates and HCPs.

Under the DSD umbrella are a wide variety of medical conditions, some of which are female only, some of which are male only, and some of which affect both sexes - but most of which do not result in any ambiguity about which sex category the affected individuals sex belong to. I think lumping them all together has ended up doing a disservice to people with these disorders - as it would be to speak of COPD, asthma, cystic fibrosis, lung cancer, pneumonia, panic-related breathing distress, etc and now COVID-19 all as "respiratory conditions."

MRKH-1, for example, is a female-only condition in which the uterus is missing, but the ovaries are usually present and function normally; women with MRKH-1 are otherwise healthy. MRKH-2 is also a female-only condition, but it often has effects that go well beyond the reproductive tract; the kidneys and skeleton/spine are often affected, and some girls/women with the condition will develop hearing impairments and heart defects. However, my understanding is that girls/women with MRKH-2 have normally functioning ovaries, as those with MRKH-1 do, so in neither case is there a need to take exogenous hormones.

By contrast, in Turner's syndrome, also a female-only DSD, the ovaries deteriorate in utero, so girls & women with the condition never go through puberty and the treatment protocol involves taking exogenous hormones. Turner's often affects the development of many parts of the body outside the reproductive tract too; most of the time, it leads to short stature; half the time, it leads to heart defects, and sometimes to learning issues too.

XY 5-ARD, the male-only DSD that Caster Semenya has, is an enzyme deficiency that makes it impossible to convert T into DHT. DHT is needed for the external male genitalia to develop properly in utero; without DHT, males with the condition tend to be born with genitals that look atypical for their sex, and their testes are often undescended or fully internal. Females can have 5-ARD, too but since DHT plays no role in female sex development, in girls 5-ARD is not a DSD.

In 5-ARD, the testes always function normally, as do androgen receptors. As a result, males with 5-ARD are healthy and go through normal male development, including male mini-puberty in the first six months after birth and regular puberty in adolescence. They do not need to take exogenous hormones as with some other DSDs.

With some other "DSD" conditions where there might be internal or "streak" testes, there's a high risk of testicular cancer - so the testes often have to be removed. But that's not the case with 5-ARD; they have low rates of testicular cancer, and so the testes can be left as is without a cancer risk.

Although I've described only a handful of the conditions now all lumped together under the DSD umbrella, I think I've given evidence that including all these diverse conditions in one catch-all category does not serve the people with these diverse conditions. A male with 5-ARD will have very different medical and psychological issues due to his DSD than a female with MRKH will, and I can't imagine a support group including both groups would meet the needs of either.

Using the vague, overarching label "DSD" for all these diverse conditions affecting both sexes also works against the goal of greater understanding of these diverse conditions amongst the general public. Plus it seems like a way of "othering" - putting all the "normies" over here, and all the "DSDs" over there on the sex equivalent of the island of misfit toys. This is much like the racial/ethnic categorization that puts all "whites" of different ethnicities in one group, and lumps everyone else of non-European ethnic heritage and all other shades of skin together under headings like "POC" and "BAME."

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This person, Doctor Danielle Jones, is a practicing ObGyn, who seems to be becoming a successful YouTube propagandist (500,000 hits on her tripe) despite apparently knowing nothing about biological sex.

This is from her Twitter @mamadoctorjones dated Sept 12th - she's complaining about Trevor Noah mocking gender reveal parties.

Mama Doctor Jones:

"The number of “bUt iT’S sIMpLe BiOLoGy” quote tweets who have no idea what gender is blows my mind. Plugging ears & screaming doesn’t move you forward. I hope I am never this unwilling to listen or learn about anything in my whole life."

Get that, ladies of SAIDIT GC? Mama Doctor Jones hopes that she is never unwilling to learn or listen about ANYTHING.

So let's tell Mama Doctor Jones about Abigail Shriers's book IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE, about how girls are being sucked into the transgender craze.

Let's send Mama Doctor Jones the link to r/detrans, the Reddit sub in which young people sucked into the transgender trend discuss how their lives have been torn apart.

Let's send Mama Doctor Jones a list of tests that determine the sex of a baby. Maybe offer to chip in and buy her an ultrasound machine.

Let's make sure that this doctor who claims she wants to listen and learn, listens and learns from us about how dangerous transitioning children is before she destroys even more young people's lives.

@MamaDoctorJones

[–]DivaExMachina 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She's already aware of Irreversible Damage and has been tweeting out excerpts from it to highlight the 'transphobia'. She totally rejects the book already so you won't make any headway with that approach, unfortunately.

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What a fucking moron. I hope she gets sued to oblivion and back.

Anyone on Twitter who cares about children, please tell @MamaDoctorJones that the puberty blocker LUPRON given to "transgender" kids is USED TO CASTRATE SEX OFFENDERS.

[–]Carthimundia 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I know libfems spout this shit about 'sex assigned at birth' but they literally don't believe it. On a famous libfem site that shall not be named, there was an article complaining about gender reveal parties. The comments were full of libfems discussing their tasteful and not at all problematic gender reveals. Or sex reveals, as they called it. Not a single one said her baby's sex was coercively assigned at birth by the doctor. Every single woman discussed seeing the sonogram and 'finding out' or 'discovering' the baby's sex. Um...ladies, have you forgotten the script? You saw your baby had a dick and 'found out 'you were having a boy? That's TERF talk! How could you assume your child's gender based off its genitals? I thought biological sex was fluid or didn't really exist? These women even discussed how excited they were to keep their child's sex a surprise. But I thought there is no surprise?

[–]Shesstealthy 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I once again ask: if sex as observed at birth is sometimes inaccurate and this is the reason we have trans people, where are the trans people coming forward with evidence of their chromosomal differences? After all there ARE some that are not readily visible to anyone.

[–]DivaExMachina 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think she's done some valuable videos about female reproductive health so I was quite disappointed at this video. Until that point I had thought her channel was quite Terfy. I unsubbed after that.

What a shame.

[–]TalkToTheVoid 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I couldn't get through the entire video.

What's pissing me off the MOST about this is that there are people out there who thought the sentence "you don't get to be offended by science" is transphobic! What? WHAT? I mean what? Why defend this at all???

I was expecting the t-shirt to say something about women and ovaries or vaginas or birth or something along those lines. Something that transmen share with women and transwomen can't relate to and so they all get upset. But this was just a general statement about science.

Such complaints should've just been ignored. Why did she even bother addressing them? Ugh!

[–]our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She allegedly got through medical school, specifically focused on baby-making, and yet does not understand that human sex is binary? What? All the comments were from trans talking about seeing doctors that their bodies don't need. TiM won't be happy until they're diagnosed with ovarian cancer or something. My guess is this woman has HUGE student loans and the Trans Lobby is helping her pay them down.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I have a question for those more versed in this than I am: What determines gender in any species that uses sexual reproduction? I understood it as determined by the sexual reproductive cells an individual of any species produces. As in males in a species produce spermatozoa and females produce ova. Is this right? I mean it varies and some species reproduce asexually. But is this the correct definition?

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gender is ideology: feminine, masculine, non-binary, maverique, vapogender.... the list could go on coz now there are hundreds of genders.

Sex is biology: male or female. Individuals of either sex can and do have a wide variety of personalities and traits, behaviors, interests, fashion choices etc that might be considered feminine, masculine, in between or a mix of the two. Most people are not so easily pigeonholed.

In sexually reproducing species, plants and animals come in one of two categories: male individuals belong to the category of plants/animals with the potential to produce male gametes, aka sperm, at some point in time. Female individuals belong to the category of plants/animals with the potential to produce (or to mature and release) female gametes, aka ova/eggs, at some point in time.

Species that reproduce asexually are not germane to discussions of the human rights of homo sapiens who reproduce sexually.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I can't believe I used "gender" interchangeably with "sex". I meant to ask what determines sex. I don't care about gender, because I think it's a bullshit construct we need to do away with.

[–]grixit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lately i've been seeing people say "male is the sex that produces the smaller gamate". Which works great for most sexual species, including all vertebrates.

But i wonder about those aquatic creatures that alternate diploid and haploid generations.

[–]LasagnaRossa 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Many doctors buys in pseudoscience as well. Nothing new.

[–]FearfulFriend 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I like a lot of the other things she posts, but this stuff makes me cringe, hard. The thing is that one day it is going to come back to bite her when she finally does say something that the brigaders don't like.

[–]usehername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is this woman affiliated with the Mother Jones news site? They seem to share some opinions: https://www.motherjones.com/?s=transgender