Newly peaked because of Mulan.

submitted by tript from (self.GenderCritical)

I think I was always skeptical but the thing that really threw me off was the trans community reaction to Mulan after the new movie came out. Personally I didnt like the new movie so I was on memory lane looking at the older clips, and the Mulan songs are full of FTMs. So a song like I'll make a man out of you is full of trans people saying that they're fearless and manly now because they take testosterone. Or saying Mulan is trans.

Mulan is a movie where the whole point is that she didn't need to be a man to do those things. She was just as capable and impressive as a woman. It was making fun of sexist ideas like "i'm a man so i'm fearless and strong" but trans people are defending it and saying that's a good thing and that's why they're trans. this movie came out like 20 years ago and it feels more progressive than what i'm seeing from these people now.

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[–]VioletRemi 84 insightful - 5 fun84 insightful - 4 fun85 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

They are rewriting history for last few years, and trying to show that every single strong or famous woman of the past - was transman or transwoman.

They are almost saying "woman can't do anything good or great, she was a man most likely!".

[–]lefterfield 60 insightful - 6 fun60 insightful - 5 fun61 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Really, I'd say the story of Mulan came out about 1500-1600 years ago, and it was more progressive than modern trans activism. Talk about regression...

[–]onemoredaydream 48 insightful - 4 fun48 insightful - 3 fun49 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

MULAN ISN'T TRANS, god damn.

[–]LasagnaRossa 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She was my idol exactly because she was a girl! In those times, finding a female protagonist who could kick ass and was not a damsel in distress was pretty rare. Even Ariel and Belle couldn't compete.

[–]windrunner 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. I loved Mulan because I could finally see that the things most people said to me when I was a kid "girls don't do this, this is a boy thing. Girls don't play with that, boys do. As a girl you shouldn't do that, only boys can do" were bullshit, because girls could and were just as capable as boys doing those things, period.

[–]materialrealityplz 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Neither is Joan of Arc goddammit, I wish they'd stop transing historical WOMEN.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 43 insightful - 12 fun43 insightful - 11 fun44 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

Trans people defending outdated gender stereotypes? Surely not!

[–]Apricot_Ibex 45 insightful - 1 fun45 insightful - 0 fun46 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I posted this on the old Reddit GC, which is sadly erased, but when American TRAs tried trans-ing Mulan, many Chinese women were not happy at all and were commenting “Our Hua Mulan has been a woman from beginning to end” and that Americans are confused and insulting Mulan to imply that she would somehow have to be a man to be a warrior.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/krishrach/a-meme-about-mulan-has-sparked-a-debate-about-gender

[–]materialrealityplz 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

imply that she would somehow have to be a man to be a warrior.

So much of trans ideology in it's current form is offensive because of this shit. Apparently if you aren't feminine enough, you're actually a man.

[–]coffeedrinker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Calling mulan a man is so offensive. I thought cultural appropriation is supposed to be a bad thing? Then why the hell are these people taking a Chinese story and twisting it however they want??

Milan was one of the first movies I ever saw in theaters, and it's left such an impression on me, don't want anyone to change a single thing about it.

[–]questioningtw 26 insightful - 3 fun26 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Please tell me they didn't make Mulan trans in the new movie. Also, that song Reflections has nothing to do with being transgender; it was a song a lot of people can relate too! And I'll Make a Man out of You was showing just how awkward and she was when training with the men. Why can't they just let her be a woman? It is so beyond offensive.

[–]RedditVihaaLesboja 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That would never fly in China (and the end credits literally thank the Party).

[–]worried19 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I saw Mulan as a kid, and even back then I didn't relate to her because even though she disguised herself as a man, she went back to being girly at the end of the movie by choice. So I don't know how trans people decided it was a story about a trans man when she's literally in a dress in the final scene.

[–]lefterfield 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I loved that take on it, personally. Not that it would have been "worse" if she'd stayed a warrior/counselor, but to me there's something deeply moving and powerful about becoming a warrior not for personal self-interest, but because you feel it's the right thing to do/want to protect someone else. It's not a perspective that's shown enough imo.

[–]worried19 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I have no objection to it. It just didn't resonate with me as a GNC kid who basically lived my life as a boy. I think it's weird that trans men claim Mulan as one of their own when Mulan herself made it clear at the end of the movie that she was not gender nonconforming by choice.

[–]luckystar 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

As a side note, it's interesting how the story of Mulan is interpreted differently by different audiences. In the West, it seems to be interpreted as a you-go-girl, women can do anything just as well as the boys can, female empowerment narrative. In China, the narrative is actually about filial piety -- the idea is that Mulan is so loyal to her father that when he is too ill to fight in the war, she goes to great lengths to fight in his place. The moral is kinda like "even this woman went to war out of respect for her elders, what's your excuse?"

Either way you look at it, Mulan being female is central to the story.

[–]RedditHatesLesbians 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Women can't be fearless and strong, everyone knows that!

[–]moody_ape 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs ruining everything. what's new?

[–]vitunrotta 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reminded me of this...

“While all this sexual identity politics marches through the front door, a large-scale robbery is taking place: the theft of women’s achievement. The more incredible a woman is, the more barriers she busts through, the more “gender nonconforming” she is deemed to be. In this perverse schema, by definition, the more amazing a woman is, the less she counts as a woman.”

Excerpt from Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters (by Abigail Shrier)

P.S. if you haven’t read that book yet... do it now! 💯

[–]Eurowoman24 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are the most sexist history appropriating group of people I've ever met. Didn't you know every woman who's ever dressed up as a man to be able to do "man only" things - like participate in wars was a trans man? tired of this shit.

[–]FlyingPillows21 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What?? I thought it was perfectly clear she was only pretending to be a man because she didn't have a choice.