Time Magazine claims female Viking warrior could have been transgender, non-binary, or gender fluid

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[–]VioletRemi 46 insightful - 4 fun46 insightful - 3 fun47 insightful - 4 fun -  (22 children)

Obviously to them she wasn't woman. By gender ideology every women who is smart, or strong, or brave, or active - is breaking "woman" gender stereotype, so for their ideology to work at all, no such woman must exist. So that is why they are making every such woman as non-binary/trans/etc.

[–]worried19[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

But why is this old white male archaeologist clued into gender ideology? I wouldn't expect a man his age to be even remotely familiar with such things. That's the shocking part. I could understand it more if this were coming from a trans author or a young woman in her 20s.

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

But why is this old white male archaeologist clued into gender ideology? I wouldn't expect a man his age to be even remotely familiar with such things. That's the shocking part. I could understand it more if this were coming from a trans author or a young woman in her 20s.

Neil Price is only 54 - which today is hardly considered "old" by most standards. As such, he is considerably younger than all the major thinkers who came up with and developed gender ideology in the first place.

Gender ideology and the social practice it's meant to support - transsexualism, now transgenderism - are not new. At all. Janice Raymond demonstrates this very clearly in her book "The Transsexual Empire," published in 1979. Gender ideology was largely invented by middle-aged and older sexologists, philosophers, social theorists and autogynephiles to advance (male) libertinism, to "help" self-hating homosexual males not confront and deal with society's and their own internalized homophobia, and to counter feminism and women's liberation and progress.

Nor did gender ideology and the practice of transsexualism/genderism originate in and from the minds of young people, particularly not people in their 20s.

John Money, who invented the concept of "gender identity" was born in 1921, and came up with "gender identity" in the mid-1950s when he was 36. Michel Foucault (born 1926) did his main work in the 1960s and 70s, when he was in his 40s and 50s; if he were still alive, he'd be pushing 100. Judith Butler (born 1956) came up with her ideas in the 1980s, and published "Gender Trouble" in 1990, when she was 36; she is now 64-65, a decade older than Price. The term "queer theory" was coined in 1990 by an academic who was 40 at the time, and would be 70 if still alive today.

It's only very, very recently that a vast swathe of young people have picked up on gender ideology and the trans phenom and enthusiastically embraced the ideology and the practices. But don't mistake embracing with inventing.

Poster children for child and adolescent transition such as Jazz Jennings, Jackie Green, Andraya Yearwood and Terry Miller might be big into gender ideology, but none of them came up with it on their own: they were force-fed it by their middle-aged, rigid-minded parents.

Even today, the major proponents and beneficiaries of gender ideology and the trans phenomenon are not young people in their 20s, and they're certainly not young women. As in the past, the major proponents of and beneficiaries of gender ideology and transing are middle-aged and older male autogynephiles and homophobes.

Also, why would Price's race along with his age disqualify him from being "clued into gender ideology"? All the people who invented gender ideology are white. And most of the people pushing it are white too. Even so, there's nothing wrong with being white - and the color of one's skin doesn't dictate or determine one's ideology, the content of one's character or how "clued into" to ideas, cultural fads, fashions, etc one is.

BTW, I'm white - and by your standards too old to be "clued into gender ideology" and the trans phenom but I'm actually pretty knowledgable about them.

Janice Raymond's book is available for free on her website; I suggest reading it to get a proper grounding in the history of of gender ideology and transing. It will help you better understand what's going on today. https://janiceraymond.com/

[–]worried19[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I know that's not extremely old, but it's older than both of my parents, and neither of them has the slightest clue about gender stuff. I just kind of assume older white guys who are straight (I'm guessing he's straight) and aren't trans have utterly no clue about any of this. Like, what guy in his 50s who isn't steeped in gender theory has a clue about "gender fluid" or "non-binary" identifications?

His background seems to be history and archaeology of that specific region, and I would presume he doesn't read about gender theory in his spare time. I could be wrong. Maybe he has some personal connection to the topic I'm not aware of. It's just really weird to me. It's not like he's based his life around sex and gender, like the other examples you mentioned. I think of older white men as privileged enough to ignore these topics since it's not like gender theory ever intrudes on their lives.

Thanks for the link. I'll definitely read that over.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I just kind of assume older white guys who are straight (I'm guessing he's straight) and aren't trans have utterly no clue about any of this

But gender ideology is a belief system created and pushed by many older white guys, many of whom are straight... And gender ideology and queer theory are the dominant ideologies in academia today that have infiltrated virtually all academic disciplines except some of the hard sciences. This has been the case since the late 80s-early 90s. Price would've graduated from uni circa 1988 and done most of his grad work in the 90s. For anyone who obtained an advanced degree in the humanities or social sciences and has taught on campuses over the past 30 years, it's been pretty impossible not to be inundated with the stuff.

Also, as a general rule, I think it's best for none of us to assume - ass out of you and me, after all. Nor does it serve any of us well if we base what we believe to be true of everyone in the whole world solely on our parents, our own small social circle, our kids, our nabe, or our church, synagogue or mosque, etc.

Do read Raymond's 1979 book. It's highly informative and will be eye-opening, I promise!

I think of older white men as privileged enough to ignore these topics since it's not like gender theory ever intrudes on their lives.

That makes me wonder how many older white men you've asked about these topics and had open, honest, no-holds-barred discussions with about men's sex lives, fantasies and proclivities. I'm guessing not many... Not that you should have. But on the other hand, like I said, it's best not to make sweeping assumptions. Male cross-dressing for erotic pleasure is not new; most older men (and women) are very aware that a % of the male populace does it, and long have.

When I was growing up in a USA suburb in the 1960s, it was widely "known" that Mr so-and-so across the street from my family's house "liked to wear ladies underwear." One of my schoolmates' fathers (of 5 kids) "came out as woman" in 1974. None of this is entirely new.

More to the point, in the 1960s and 70s, real-life and fictional examples of MtF transvestism, transsexualism and erotic (AGP) cross-dressing were very much in the news and big themes in popular culture.. Look up Christene Jorgensen (1950s & 60s); Warhol stars like Candy Darling; "Myra Breckenridge" by Gore Vidal (1969);"Lola" by the Kinks (1970); "Myra Breckenridge" by Gore Vidal (1969); "Walk on the Wild Side" Lou Reed (1970); Corporal Klinger (Jamie Farr) in MASH (1970s-80s); famous het men who went trans and became household names in the early 70s such as James Jan Morris and Rene Richards; Roberta Muldoon in "The World According to Garp" (1978); all the "gender benders" of glam rock (early 70s) and 80s-90 from Boy George to Marilyn Peter Robinson to Robert Smith of The Cure ... and many others; well-known movies of the 80s and 90s and beyond like "The Crying Game," "Silence of The Lambs," and "Breakfast on Pluto"...

All the RL male TVs and transsexuals I've just mentioned as well as all the men who wrote the songs, books, movie & TV scripts, directed and appeared in these movies, performed in the bands I've listed, etc are privileged white guys who now range in age from their late 50s to their 80s and 90s (or more). Most are heterosexual too.

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm definitely not saying you're wrong. I can't assume anything about this guy's personal life based just on his Goodreads profile. It's possible he has more than an academic interest in these issues or something going on behind the scenes that influenced him.

That makes me wonder how many older white men you've asked about these topics and had open, honest, no-holds-barred discussions with about men's sex lives, fantasies and proclivities.

Well, we don't talk about that kind of stuff where I'm from. I'm sure my dad and grandpa have heard of cross dressers, but they're definitely not in academia or liberal social circles and I doubt they would know anything at all about "non-binary" or "gender fluid" or gay trans men or transbians or any of the stuff we discuss here on a regular basis.

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, we don't talk about that kind of stuff where I'm from.

There you go, LOL. Look, I'm not trying to be an asshole or to pick on you. You strike me as a very good egg, so to speak. I'm just trying to get you to see that if you come from a place where no one talks about that kind of stuff, and your parents are not in "liberal social circles," it's presumptive to make such comments as

But why is this old white male archaeologist clued into gender ideology? I wouldn't expect a man his age to be even remotely familiar with such things. That's the shocking part. I could understand it more if this were coming from a trans author or a young woman in her 20s.

Similarly, if you parents and grandparents "are definitely not in academia or liberal social circles" it's really not a good idea to use them as the template on which you base judgments and expectations of a 54-year-old man who is in academia as well all/most men, which is what you seemed to be doing when you said

I know that's not extremely old, but it's older than both of my parents, and neither of them has the slightest clue about gender stuff. I just kind of assume older white guys who are straight (I'm guessing he's straight) and aren't trans have utterly no clue about any of this. Like, what guy in his 50s who isn't steeped in gender theory has a clue about "gender fluid" or "non-binary" identifications?

You seem to be confusing "gender theory" with new lingo like "gender fluid" and "non-binary." Consider please if this might be a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

I will shut up now. I have very much enjoyed our exchange, and I thank you for not calling me names. I wish only the best for you. Keep questioning! And arguing. Good night and take care.

[–]our_team_is_winning 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But why is this old white male archaeologist clued into gender ideology?

Funding. Archaeology is NOT a well paying career unless you're FUNDED, esp by National Geographic or the like. NatGeo is woke af at this point. Anyone who wants funding, has to deliver the product the woke money machine wants.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So someone told him he had to have a chapter incorporating trans theory, do you think? It's not like the whole book is about that topic.

[–]our_team_is_winning 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Also possible the publisher said there was no audience for the book unless he added something "contemporary" or "trending" so they went with that. Just guessing the archaeologist wanted nothing to do with Trans Demands, but was willing to play along to get funded and/or published.

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Could be. Or maybe he had younger advisors who were encouraging him. Don't researchers usually have college-age interns hanging around?

[–]VioletRemi 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe he is planning on transgendering himself soon? Like that story of ruined family in 60 years.

[–]worried19[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or maybe he has a transgender family member. Like a child or something. It's a possibility.

[–]vitunrotta 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

white male archaeologist clued into gender ideology

Misogyny. There! I solved it.

[–]worried19[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, but there are tons of older sexist guys who would look at you and think you were crazy if you said the word "non-binary" to their face. I guess I'm wondering how this dude is aware enough of such things to want to include them in a book.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The lingo and the ferocity are new. Not the ideology itself.

[–]yishengqingwa666 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because men LOVE gender ideology. It helps them justify their own misogyny.

[–]BrokenEarth 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

In universities, large companies, etc. its common place for diversity/gender theory/tolerance classes to be mandatory for faculty, students and employees.

Academics tend to be open minded, especially for stuff like this, which would explain this guy. In addition, even if they aren't open to gender theory, opposing it would only cause problems for themselves.

[–]BEB 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only two of my old university friends who've bought into this gender bullshit are in academia. Both are very much 2nd Wave feminists, so it's jaw-dropping that they can't see what's as plain as day to the rest of us - that gender ideology is an all-out attack on women's rights.

[–]worried19[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I always figured older straight men didn't give two shits about it. Like sure they would go along to get along in that environment, but they wouldn't really buy into the ideology enough to incorporate in in their book. Assuming this guy is straight and does not have any hidden interests like cross dressing, which I admit is an assumption on my part.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How then do you account for why older straight man Barack Obama during his term as POTUS decided to use executive power to circumvent Congress and reinterpret and effectively rewrite federal laws concerning "sex discrimination" to mean "gender and gender identity discrimination" instead? How do you explain why he decided to open up female sports, locker rooms, public and school rest rooms, shelters, rape refuges, prisons to males based solely on their claimed gender identity?

How do you explain why older straight man Joe Biden has been claiming since 2015 that "trans rights are the civil rights issue of our time"?

How do you explain that every single Democratic member of the House of Representatives - the majority of whom are older straight males - voted for the misnamed "Equality Act" that removes all single-sex provisions benefitting females and says all spaces, services and sports should be allocated on the basis of "gender identity" and "gender expression," not on the basis of biological sex?

How do you explain why all the major international and national sports governing bodies such as the IOC, IAAF/World Athletics, NCAA, Swim USA and the statewide governing bodies for scholastic sports in the majority of states US all have adopted the central ideas of gender ideology - ie eligibility for female sports should be determined by gender identity, not by biological sex? Trust me, all of these sports governing bodies are overwhelmingly run by older straight men.

How do you explain why South African sports authorities, government officials, political bigwigs and attorneys since 2009 have marshalled gender ideology to make the case that males with male-only DSDs such as Caster Semenya should be eligible for female sports based solely on how such individuals identify and what their government-issued ID documents say rather than on their biological sex? South Africa is a very homophobic and sexist country, so I figure most of the old guys pressing the Semenya case are straight men.

I always figured older straight men didn't give two shits about it

You've already said upthread that where you come from, no one talks about these things, and that you've never spoken to any older straight men about such matters. So on where are the ideas you've "always figured" to be true about older straight men coming from, and how come you are so certain that what you figure, imagine and assume to be true of/about these men is the gospel truth?

[–]worried19[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you really think Barack Obama or Joe Biden believe that stuff? They're politicians. I guarantee you even Obama doesn't believe a natal male is the same as a natal female. Politicians have to follow their party line. Republicans the same as Democrats. Do you believe all Republicans are really anti-abortion? The non-religious ones don't give a crap. They just do what they need to do to make their constituents happy.

So on where are the ideas you've "always figured" to be true about older straight men coming from, and how come you are so certain that what you figure, imagine and assume to be true of/about these men is the gospel truth?

You really believe the vast majority of old white men care? Older white men are across the board more conservative than younger men and women. Older white men were raised in an era when biology was still taken to be a non-disputable fact. Do you think if you did a survey of male Democrats over 40 (we'll obviously leave the Republicans out), you would find widespread belief in "trans women are women?" What percentage of them know the terms "non-binary" and "gender fluid?" I would guess the only ones who do are either heavily involved in the LGBT community or have dedicated their lives to gender research. Blue collar men, middle class men, business men, men in tech, none of these people have any reason to know or care until gender ideology intrudes on their lives.

[–]marmorsymphata 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It provides him with a way to keep from recognizing women.

[–]moody_ape 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

apparently, she could have been anything BUT a woman. wow!

[–]SaidOverRed 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So brave, so beautiful. And thousands of years old, too. It's almost like the diversity police are wizards.

[–]worried19[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In a sense it does not really matter whether the person in the Birka grave was a female-bodied warrior woman or not (though as one of the lead authors in the research team, I firmly believe she was all those things). This person may equally have been transgender, in our terms, or non-binary, or gender fluid. There are other possibilities, too, but the point is that they must all be recognized as possible Viking-Age identities while—crucially—not assuming this must be the case.

This is supposed to be from a serious, scholarly work, and here this person is claiming a female warrior woman from the ancient Viking era could have equally been non-binary or gender fluid. I'm shocked something like this is coming is from an older male author.

[–]vitunrotta 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right, just reading the text you quoted makes it pretty fucking obvious. Women in their own right were NEVER just women - they had to be NB, genderfluid, probably seemingly "trans" as well in order to be considered anything but a... well, woman.

If you know anything about history at any point in time you will very quickly learn that women were considered pretty much as doormats and/or stupid pets. In the CONTEXT (which is very, very, very important here) it would make sense if a woman would try to look like a man in order to be respected and honored as her fellow men did. Did she do that because she was thousands of years ahead of the TRA movement? Or maybe it was just the ever-existing, inherent sexism that did not allow her to be who SHE was unless she was portrayed as a man?

I won't read this man's idiotic ideas about "trans" happening. It probably has been around a long time but the main reason women pretended to be men was because of their INFERIOR SEX and how they'd be considered if they would disclose that they were WOMEN. Period. Jesus this transshit is getting way out of hand.

[–]Comprehensive-Ad-579 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Funding for excavations are rare to come by, mostly it comes from Foundations. Guess what subject is heavily funded by all the big and small foundations for the last decade;-). Also this would be a good new topic for a book deal; he would grasp a big audience solely because it includes the TG topic, and would validate there existence, and all the wokies can spiral signal and fawn over them. In the end it is always about monetary gains, for all who deal in transgender ideology.

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's weird, though, because if you look at reviews for the book, none of them mention the transgender stuff at all. Apparently this is just one chapter in a much longer book about the Vikings. Why is he pandering to the wokest of the woke when the majority of them would never pick up his book in the first place? It's not marketed to trans people.

[–]Comprehensive-Ad-579 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My guess, is rewriting history to fit the narrative. But I am a layman, just guessing. It s all creepy, weird and sinister says my gut feeling.

[–]Shesstealthy 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or, just a woman.

[–]marmorsymphata 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anything to keep from recognizing historical women

[–]JulienMayfair 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've been waiting for gender ideology to go after archaeology. When you see people on digs, they're trying to determine whether someone was male or female by looking at the skeleton. It's the perfect situation for the genderists to start whining about "What if they were trans????"

[–]carvedapple 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Great, what's next? Joan of arc was actually trans? I find it a little funny that people would think that the Vikings would give a flying fuck about gender in the first place.

[–]RedditVihaaLesboja 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Joan of arc was actually trans?

Yeah, they've already been saying that for some time now...