Why can't I find any statistics on how many women have been murdered in 2020?

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[–]CastleHoward 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I went and searched "Women murdered so far 2020 US". The first result was: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/27/us/transgender-women-deaths.html What a joke! 18 dead men erases all the dead women.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Yep, I was getting that, and most of the results on the first page were about transwomen. And I really can't seem to actually find the statistics on women murdered this year. It's possible my searching skills suck, but I don't think it should be that hard to find.

[–]anonymale 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I realise this has a dreadfully unfeeling tone to it, which is not meant to underplay the seriousness of the subject. It might be that it takes time to produce stats of the best quality. The UK's Femicide Census has not reported on 2019 yet.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just a note: the UK's Femicide Census only includes women known to have been killed by men, meaning it only includes cases in which the killers were ascertained to be males because the police and CPS were able to identify, charge, prosecute and convict them.

But a large number of homicides in the UK, and in the USA, committed in any given year - usually 35-40% - will officially be classed as unsolved, coz no suspect has been identified - or because the police and prosecutors haven't been able to amass enough evidence to charge, prosecute and convict.

Also, in both the UK and USA a fair number of killers, especially male ones, get acquitted, especially if their victims were female. As has been seen recently in the spate of male killers who got away with murder of a woman by employing the "rough sex gone wrong/too far" defense. (Which I now believe has been made illegal in the UK, thank goodness.)

Because it leaves out the huge number of unsolved cases and all the cases where the killer got off, the Femicide Census can't be considered a reliable count of the total number of female homicide victims in the UK.

Same goes for the similar project in the US where a nurse is using press reports to tally the number of women killed by men in the States. Her figures vastly undercount the total number of female homicide victims. In the US, most homicides don't make the news at all - and the many girls and women's murders go unsolved for years, decades or forevever.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, that would make sense.

[–]denverkris 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

From past searches I've done it's been about 3 women per day. I'm sure that number will likely go up as our population grows. And I'm sure the number will probably be much higher this year with covid.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No, in the US nearly 9 females die of homicide per day. Using the latest year for which the stats are in and analyzed, it's 8.7. I've posted links to the FBI UCR homicide data and breakdowns of victims by sex elsewhere on this thread.

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

9 females die of homicide per day

18 transgender kills this year

So in just two-three days in USA there killed more women than transgenders of both sexes were killed in a whole year?

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The number of trans homicide victims each year in the US in recent years has been around 26, and nearly all of 'em are TIMs (if there is a TIF, it's usually no more than one a year). So it would be accurate to say that more females are killed in three days in the US than "transwomen" over the course of an entire year.

[–]denverkris 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

wow, that's WAY higher! I'll take a look at your links, thanks.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

3 a day...I don't have words.

[–]denverkris 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ya, and I was just told that number was way low. The last data I looked at was from 2015/2016, I efffing hope it hasn't gone up that much :(

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The numbers haven't gone up that much. The FBI says that in 2015, 2818 females in the US died of homicide; in 2016, 3,208 - these figures were a bit lower and slightly higher than in 2018 respectively. That's 7.7 a day in 2015; 8.8 in 2016.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_1_murder_victims_by_race_ethnicity_and_sex_2015.xls

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1.xls

My hunch is, the source(s) you used was/were counting only female homicide victims proven to have been killed by males, and probably male intimate partners present or past at that. The organizations and individuals who compile "femicide" info and provide such reports - and there are fair number of them - leave out all the homicide cases (35-40%) that are unsolved and in which the sex of the killer and his/her relationship (if any) to the victim remains unknown.

Moreover, most of the "femicide" reports I've seen focusing on women killed in the USA by male intimate partners (past or present) include only cases of "females murdered by males in single victim/single offender incidents."

Obviously, such a focus doesn't just leave out all the cases that are unsolved - it omits all females killed by strangers (which account for about 10-12% of the total cases in which the killer has been identified - lots of serial killers and psychopaths in the US) as well as all females killed in the many multiple and mass homicides by single killers where more than one person died (like school shootings, the Pulse nightclub attack, the Las Vegas music concert massacre).

Moreover, focusing only intimate partner killings where there's a single victim/death leaves out a lot of cases of intimate partner homicide where more than one person dies -including all "murder suicides" and "family annihilator" cases where a male kills his female partner, himself and their kids too; and those cases where some kind of "love or relationship triangle" is involved, such as when a previous partner kills his former wife/GF and her new partner (the FBI says a fair amount of intimate partner homicides involve a triangle of some sort).

Similarly, focusing solely on one-on-one homicides by male IPs leaves out all homicides of females where two or more perpetrators acted in concert - as occurs in some mass shootings (Columbine), terror attacks (Boston marathon, San Bernadino), arsons, gang killings, murder-for-hire schemes, honor killings involving multiple family members, conspiracies, etc. Moreover, it leaves out all female homicide victims where another female was the killer or one of the killers.

[–]denverkris 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That very well could be, I may have been looking specifically at male on female violence. Either way, it's a really sad statistic :(

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the stats are sad and damning. But even when you're looking at male on female violence specifically, it's crucial to go to the original sources of the stats and read the fine print to find out exactly what they are looking at/talking about. Because so many researchers and campaign groups have a very narrow focus - much narrower than it seems at first glance.

BTW, since 88-92% - and probably more - of all homicides in the US (and elsewhere) are committed by males, most females who've died of homicide in the US and worldwide whose cases are unsolved will turn out to have been killed by males if their cases are ever solved.

And though females are certainly capable of killing by themselves and on their own, a very high proportion of females involved in homicides (particularly of other girls/women) will turn out to have participated with males, often at the males' behest and under the males' control. Cases like the American female nurse who killed hospital patients of both sexes, the tweenage Slenderman killers, and the two young teen girls in Australia (New Zealand?) who killed one of their mothers in the 1950s are pretty rare.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

FBI homicide stats for 2018, the most recent for which year full reporting & analysis of nationwide data have been completed: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/expanded-homicide

Breakdown by sex of the victim:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1.xls