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[–]CastleHoward 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I went and searched "Women murdered so far 2020 US". The first result was: What a joke! 18 dead men erases all the dead women.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Yep, I was getting that, and most of the results on the first page were about transwomen. And I really can't seem to actually find the statistics on women murdered this year. It's possible my searching skills suck, but I don't think it should be that hard to find.

[–]anonymale 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I realise this has a dreadfully unfeeling tone to it, which is not meant to underplay the seriousness of the subject. It might be that it takes time to produce stats of the best quality. The UK's Femicide Census has not reported on 2019 yet.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just a note: the UK's Femicide Census only includes women known to have been killed by men, meaning it only includes cases in which the killers were ascertained to be males because the police and CPS were able to identify, charge, prosecute and convict them.

But a large number of homicides in the UK, and in the USA, committed in any given year - usually 35-40% - will officially be classed as unsolved, coz no suspect has been identified - or because the police and prosecutors haven't been able to amass enough evidence to charge, prosecute and convict.

Also, in both the UK and USA a fair number of killers, especially male ones, get acquitted, especially if their victims were female. As has been seen recently in the spate of male killers who got away with murder of a woman by employing the "rough sex gone wrong/too far" defense. (Which I now believe has been made illegal in the UK, thank goodness.)

Because it leaves out the huge number of unsolved cases and all the cases where the killer got off, the Femicide Census can't be considered a reliable count of the total number of female homicide victims in the UK.

Same goes for the similar project in the US where a nurse is using press reports to tally the number of women killed by men in the States. Her figures vastly undercount the total number of female homicide victims. In the US, most homicides don't make the news at all - and the many girls and women's murders go unsolved for years, decades or forevever.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, that would make sense.

[–]denverkris 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

From past searches I've done it's been about 3 women per day. I'm sure that number will likely go up as our population grows. And I'm sure the number will probably be much higher this year with covid.

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No, in the US nearly 9 females die of homicide per day. Using the latest year for which the stats are in and analyzed, it's 8.7. I've posted links to the FBI UCR homicide data and breakdowns of victims by sex elsewhere on this thread.

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

9 females die of homicide per day

18 transgender kills this year

So in just two-three days in USA there killed more women than transgenders of both sexes were killed in a whole year?

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The number of trans homicide victims each year in the US in recent years has been around 26, and nearly all of 'em are TIMs (if there is a TIF, it's usually no more than one a year). So it would be accurate to say that more females are killed in three days in the US than "transwomen" over the course of an entire year.

[–]denverkris 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

wow, that's WAY higher! I'll take a look at your links, thanks.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

3 a day...I don't have words.

[–]denverkris 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ya, and I was just told that number was way low. The last data I looked at was from 2015/2016, I efffing hope it hasn't gone up that much :(

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The numbers haven't gone up that much. The FBI says that in 2015, 2818 females in the US died of homicide; in 2016, 3,208 - these figures were a bit lower and slightly higher than in 2018 respectively. That's 7.7 a day in 2015; 8.8 in 2016.

My hunch is, the source(s) you used was/were counting only female homicide victims proven to have been killed by males, and probably male intimate partners present or past at that. The organizations and individuals who compile "femicide" info and provide such reports - and there are fair number of them - leave out all the homicide cases (35-40%) that are unsolved and in which the sex of the killer and his/her relationship (if any) to the victim remains unknown.

Moreover, most of the "femicide" reports I've seen focusing on women killed in the USA by male intimate partners (past or present) include only cases of "females murdered by males in single victim/single offender incidents."

Obviously, such a focus doesn't just leave out all the cases that are unsolved - it omits all females killed by strangers (which account for about 10-12% of the total cases in which the killer has been identified - lots of serial killers and psychopaths in the US) as well as all females killed in the many multiple and mass homicides by single killers where more than one person died (like school shootings, the Pulse nightclub attack, the Las Vegas music concert massacre).

Moreover, focusing only intimate partner killings where there's a single victim/death leaves out a lot of cases of intimate partner homicide where more than one person dies -including all "murder suicides" and "family annihilator" cases where a male kills his female partner, himself and their kids too; and those cases where some kind of "love or relationship triangle" is involved, such as when a previous partner kills his former wife/GF and her new partner (the FBI says a fair amount of intimate partner homicides involve a triangle of some sort).

Similarly, focusing solely on one-on-one homicides by male IPs leaves out all homicides of females where two or more perpetrators acted in concert - as occurs in some mass shootings (Columbine), terror attacks (Boston marathon, San Bernadino), arsons, gang killings, murder-for-hire schemes, honor killings involving multiple family members, conspiracies, etc. Moreover, it leaves out all female homicide victims where another female was the killer or one of the killers.

[–]denverkris 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That very well could be, I may have been looking specifically at male on female violence. Either way, it's a really sad statistic :(

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the stats are sad and damning. But even when you're looking at male on female violence specifically, it's crucial to go to the original sources of the stats and read the fine print to find out exactly what they are looking at/talking about. Because so many researchers and campaign groups have a very narrow focus - much narrower than it seems at first glance.

BTW, since 88-92% - and probably more - of all homicides in the US (and elsewhere) are committed by males, most females who've died of homicide in the US and worldwide whose cases are unsolved will turn out to have been killed by males if their cases are ever solved.

And though females are certainly capable of killing by themselves and on their own, a very high proportion of females involved in homicides (particularly of other girls/women) will turn out to have participated with males, often at the males' behest and under the males' control. Cases like the American female nurse who killed hospital patients of both sexes, the tweenage Slenderman killers, and the two young teen girls in Australia (New Zealand?) who killed one of their mothers in the 1950s are pretty rare.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

FBI homicide stats for 2018, the most recent for which year full reporting & analysis of nationwide data have been completed:

Breakdown by sex of the victim:

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The most reliable source of crime stats in the USA is the FBI, which aggregates all the data from state, county and local police forces. Not all such data is reported to the FBI on a daily basis, and once the data is in it takes the FBI time to collect, analyze it and properly report it ... so you're never going to be able to get stats for the current year in the current year.

But generally speaking, over the past decade the number of women over age 18 who die of homicide each year has been around 3,200. Plus 300-400 girls under 18.

The FBI released a preliminary report of crime stats for 2019 in late January of this year, but it only includes January-June 2019. I haven't looked at it closely so I don't know if the prelim report breaks down homicide data by sex. Personally, I usually don't bother with the preliminary half-year results. But here's the link to the prelim Jan-June 2019 report:

2018 is the most recent year for which the FBI has reported stats for the entire year. In 2018, 3,180 women in the US age 18 and above died of homicide; 341 girls under age 18.

By contrast, 10,914 males age 18 and above; 784 boys under 18. In addition in 2018 there were 29 homicide victims in the US over 18 and one under 18 whose sex wasn't reported for some other reason is listed as "unknown."

On a daily and weekly basis, 8.7 females were killed by homicide per day in the US in 2018, 61 a week; and 29.9 males died of homicide each day, 209 per week.

Given what 2020 has been like, I imagine the numbers for the current year will be higher.

In the UK, the best source is the Office of National Statistics, aka the ONS.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you so so much for this detailed breakdown.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're welcome. I got my start as a newspaper reporter in the 1970s researching and writing about violence against women, including killers who ranged from "the nice guy next door" to Son of Sam and Ted Bundy.

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Given what 2020 has been like, I imagine the numbers for the current year will be higher.

It both can be higher and lower, higher because of protests and lower because of covid lockdown. And percentage can shift too, protests will increase male victims count and lockdown will increase female victims count (as it already raised domestic violence reportes by few times).

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When I said I imagine the numbers for the current year will be higher, I was speaking in reference to female homicide victims exclusively - and meant the rise would be due mostly to lockdown-related DV homicides. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.

In the UK, where's it's easier to keep track of homicide trends because it's a much smaller & more centralized country than the US, and has vastly lower rates of homicide overall, the number of women killed by former or current partners lockdown skyrocketed to more than double the usual rate during the first three weeks of lockdown.

The UK's domestic abuse commissioner has also warned that more women will be assaulted and killed as lockdown lifts, because now many abused women will try to leave - and it's when or after women leave them that male domestic abusers are most likely to become so enraged that they will attack the women in the most vicious, violent and murderous ways:

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In an article published in early July and updated August 24, the NYTimes reports that it looked at data from US cities that provide crime data on a rolling basis, and found that

Murder is up 21.8 percent in all 36 cities with 2020 data through at least May, with 29 of those cities seeing an increase this year relative to last year.

The article doesn't talk about homicide by the sex of the victims, but the rise in domestic violence due to COVID-19 lockdowns was cited as one possible cause.

Caveat: the NYTimes has become a very untrustworthy news/info source. Just this year, they've published all sorts of glaring factual errors, including the claim that Jane Austen wrote "Dracula." Most of their staff seems to have a poor grasp of basic arithmetic. And the journos who wrote this article are part of the same team of supposedly expert number-crunchers and data analysts who until about 8 pm election night 2016 were reporting that Hillary Clinton had a 93% of winning the POTUS election.

[–]ImPiqued1111111[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with you about NYT. They're garbage. Good caveat.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This sums up the latest figures for the USA in an easy to read table:

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"It’s Been ‘Such a Weird Year.’ That’s Also Reflected in Crime Statistics" - article from NYTimes Published July 6, 2020; Updated Aug. 24, 2020

The national numbers for murder and other types of violent crime rarely move in opposite directions.

But this is no ordinary year.

Overall crime is down 5.3 percent in 25 large American cities relative to the same period in 2019, with violent crime down 2 percent.

But murder in these 25 cities is up 16.1 percent in relation to last year. It’s not just a handful of cities driving this change, either. Property crime is down in 18 of the 25 sampled cities, and violent crime is down in 11 of them, but murder is up in 20 of the cities.

The F.B.I. doesn’t supply recent crime statistics, so we collected Uniform Crime Report (U.C.R.) data for these cities (each with over 250,000 people), which reported data at least through the end of May. Crime in the report is divided into violent crime — murder, aggravated assault, rape and robbery — and property crime, composed of theft, auto theft and burglary.

Homicides usually rise in the summer, which coincided this year with many people emerging from pandemic lockdown. In one recent weekend in Chicago, 14 people were killed and at least 106 people were shot, the most in eight years.

And as The New York Times reported recently: “It has been nearly a quarter century since New York City experienced as much gun violence in the month of June as it has seen this year.” (On Sunday, there were at least nine killings in the city.)

An additional 11 cities provide year-to-date murder data. Murder is up 21.8 percent in all 36 cities with 2020 data through at least May, with 29 of those cities seeing an increase this year relative to last year.

How often do murder and other types of violent crime move in opposite directions? There have been only four years since 1960 (1993, 2000, 2002 and 2003) when murder increased but overall violent crime decreased nationally, and the increase in murder was small in each of those years. The average absolute difference between the national change in murder and violent crime since 1990 has been just 2.2 percent, so a big increase in murder nationally while violent crime falls is almost unheard-of.

But this year has been distinct in many ways, because of the pandemic and because of the protests and civil unrest after the death of George Floyd in police custody.

Jerry Ratcliffe, a professor of criminal justice at Temple University and host of the Reducing Crime podcast, has cautioned against comparing crime figures in one year with the previous year. This year’s upheaval may be even more reason to be cautious.

Identifying the trend in murder statistics is relatively easy. Understanding why it is happening and what can be done about it is much harder.

Phillip Atiba Goff, co-founder and C.E.O. of the Center for Policing Equity, points to increased domestic violence as one possible cause of the increase in murder. “The first explanation that I have is that this comes from people being locked inside (during quarantines) and a lack of social services,” he said. “All those things are things that we would expect to lead to higher rates of violence. That’s speculation, though. I have no evidence that that’s the right thing other than the rise in calls for domestic violence.”

Mr. Ratcliffe agrees that increased domestic violence may be playing a role. He also hypothesizes that “Covid-19 could have reduced the market and opportunities for recreational drug use/dealing, which puts stress on the drug markets and increases violence.”

“If that is one of the causes, then we might see those tensions ease as lockdowns are relieved,” he said.

Jennifer Doleac, associate professor of economics and director of the Justice Tech Lab at Texas A&M, said: “People are worried about increasing domestic violence, and that could certainly lead to increases in homicide. Any kind of crime where most of it is between strangers or requires people being out and about would be down, and homicide is usually between people who know each other, so it might be affected differently.”

It’s plausible that the increase in murder this year might reflect a trend that began before the pandemic got underway. A review of the percent change in murder in 10 cities before coronavirus struck (generally defined as through February or March) and those cities’ most recent June update for the year so far shows a worse year-to-date percent change in eight of them, suggesting that the trend may have accelerated over the last few months.

Although the F.B.I. reports murder clearance data, that reporting is slow and often incomplete. Nearly 40 percent of the cases of murder in 2018 had an unknown cause, according to F.B.I. data, and an implausibly low 131 murders were formally classified as domestic violence. This stands in sharp contrast to an analysis by the Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox that there were more than 2,200 intimate partner murders nationwide in 2017.

Some research suggests that a loss of trust in law enforcement can cause citizens to be reluctant to contact the police, and people may be more likely to take matters into their own hands to resolve disputes.

It’s important to keep the rise in historical perspective. Murder in New York was up 25 percent compared with last year as of June 14, but that total was the same one the city had in 2015. Murder is up 22 percent in Chicago, but it’s down 6 percent from where it was at this time in 2017. Murder is up 42 percent in New Orleans, but a year ago murder was its lowest point there in almost half a century.

“These numbers do not tell a story that supports any ideological side of the debate around policing,” Mr. Goff said. “What it supports at most is a need for rigorous curiosity about a vital issue.”

Ms. Doleac also says it is too early to draw any firm conclusions: “This is such a weird year in so many dimensions, and it’s going to take us a while to figure out what caused any of these differences in crime. It is perfectly reasonable to think the first half of this year may not tell us what the rest of the year will look like.”

Sampling crime data from dozens of large American cities has proved to be a reasonably accurate way of estimating current crime trends without waiting a year for the F.B.I. data to come out. Doing so this year, however, makes clear how little we know about the drivers of crime in the United States as well as the desperate need for better and more timely data.

“The reality is that we just don’t know” what’s driving the change in murder, Mr. Goff said, “and it’s not a straightforward process to figure it out.”

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

18 Transgender Killings This Year Raise Fears of an ‘Epidemic’ - article from the NYTimes, published Sept. 27, 2019 updated Sept. 30, 2019

ATLANTA — In the most recent killing of a transgender woman, her body was found inside an abandoned car, burned beyond recognition. In another case, the woman was pulled from a lake at a Dallas park. And in a third, she was found dead near a golf course, just weeks after she survived a brutal beating that was captured on video.

In the United States this year, at least 18 transgender people — most of them transgender women of color — have been killed in a wave of violence that the American Medical Association has declared an “epidemic.” The killings, which have been reported across the country, have for some prompted a heightened sense of vigilance.

“It’s always in the forefront of our minds, when we’re leaving home, going to work, going to school,” said Kayla Gore, who lives in Memphis. “Guys were flirting with me at the gas station, and the first thought was, ‘This could go horribly wrong.’”

Activists said the cases have also underscored the precarious position of many in a community that faces elevated levels of homelessness and poverty, and the hazards that can bring.

The killings this year follow at least 26 recorded last year by the Human Rights Campaign. But transgender advocates noted that those figures fail to grasp the full extent of the perils the community faces, as data provided by law enforcement officials can be incomplete and many crimes are never reported.

The paucity of reliable data makes it difficult to measure whether violence against transgender people has increased. But many advocates say that hostility has intensified, as a rise in visibility has also stirred animosity and emboldened people to attack.

The climate of fear reflects a widening gulf in the acceptance of transgender groups, which today have far more representation in popular culture. There are transgender or gender-nonconforming characters on television and in movies, and Mattel recently introduced a line of gender-neutral dolls. Yet that cultural progress has not trickled down to everyday life, particularly for those who are the most vulnerable.

“We are the most afraid we’ve ever been,” said Mariah Moore, a program associate for the Transgender Law Center, who lives in New Orleans. “But we’re also stronger than we’ve ever been.”

The threat of violence, said Kayla Gore of Memphis, “is always in the forefront of our minds, when we’re leaving home, going to work, going to school.”

Many transgender people said they have hunkered down, avoiding meeting people they do not know and sticking to places where they will have greater odds of staying safe.

“A lot of folks are living in silos,” Ms. Gore said.

Between May and July — when pride events were taking place across the country — at least 14 L.G.B.T.Q. people were killed, according to a report from the Anti-Violence Project. Seven of the victims were black transgender women.

“The increased visibility is a signal for them that they need to double down in fighting back,” Beverly Tillery, the executive director of the Anti-Violence Project in New York, said of those looking to harm transgender people. “We’re definitely seeing what we would call a backlash.”

The dangers, of course, extend beyond explicit bias crimes. Discrimination can stand in the way of housing, education and job prospects, pushing many transgender people into homelessness as well as into sex work, elevating risks to their safety. And for black transgender women, racism can compound the discrimination.

“The prejudices don’t add upon one another, they multiply upon one another,” said Sarah McBride, the national press secretary for the Human Rights Campaign.

Police departments have hired more L.G.B.T.Q. officers and have sought to mend strained relationships, but advocates say many transgender people avoid calling the police if they are threatened or even physically attacked.

Since then, three transgender women have been killed in Dallas, including Muhlaysia Booker, a 23-year-old who was shot to death about a month after being brutally assaulted in an unrelated attack that was captured on video and garnered national attention. Another transgender woman in Dallas was shot several times last week and gravely wounded in an attack that the authorities are investigating as a hate crime.

In Detroit in June, an 18-year-old man was charged with first-degree murder for the targeted killings of a transgender woman, Paris Cameron, and two gay men.

The most recent killing, at least the 18th, took place near Clewiston, Fla. The body of Bee Love Slater, 23, was found in a scorched car on Sept. 4, her body so badly burned that she had to be identified with dental records.

The series of killings has mobilized transgender and L.G.B.T.Q. groups, with calls for lawmakers to strengthen hate crime legislation and bar the use of the so-called gay- or trans-panic defense for people charged with attacks. They have also organized self-defense classes and guides on where to find affirming places to eat and shop.

The violence against transgender women has been cited by several Democratic presidential candidates, including Senators Kamala Harris and Cory Booker, and Julián Castro, the former housing secretary. At a candidates forum on L.G.B.T.Q. issues in Iowa last week, Senator Elizabeth Warren read aloud the names of those who have been killed this year.

“We do not talk enough about trans Americans, especially trans African-Americans and the especially high rates of murder right now,” Mr. Booker said on Twitter after the Democratic debate in Miami in June. “It’s not enough just to be on the Equality Act. We need to have a president who will fight to protect L.G.B.T.Q. Americans every day.”

Jennicet Gutiérrez, a national community organizer for Familia: Trans Queer Liberation Movement, said she has had moments when people felt entitled to question her identity or insult her with transphobic comments. Some had threatened her with guns, she said, “or at times, they get very physical.”

“Fortunately,” she continued, “I have experience with those sort of attacks and have been able to survive and been able to organize my community and speak up and really challenge these injustices.”

Ms. Moore said she felt a call to action in 2017, after Chyna Gibson, a 31-year-old black transgender woman, was fatally shot in New Orleans. Ms. Moore, 31, said the killing in her hometown rattled her.

Even so, she was already deeply aware of the risks she and other transgender people face. She recounted the time, in 2014, when she was attacked and had to leap from a third-story window to save herself, shattering her knees.

“I want us to live in a world,” she said, “where we don’t have to worry about walking out of our front doors and being killed because someone doesn’t understand who we are.”

A version of this article appears in print on Sept. 28, 2019, Section A, Page 11 of the New York edition with the headline: Fear Amid Visibility: Transgender Groups Shaken by 18 Killings.

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

1) Latest full report (released February 2020) on homicide stats for England and Wales from the UK's ONS, for the year through the end of March, 2019, which does provide a breakdown of victims by sex:

As in previous years, the majority of homicide victims in the year ending March 2019 were male. Just under two-thirds were male victims (64%) and just over a third were female (36%).

The number of female victims in the year ending March 2019 was the highest since the year ending March 2006 (also 241) and represented the second consecutive annual increase.

The number of male homicide victims has decreased whilst the number of female victims has increased in the latest year.

2) "Crime in England and Wales: year ending March 2020 (released July 2020):

Section on homicide says there were a total of 683 homicides in England and Wales during the year that through the end of March 2020. However, I couldn't find any info given about victims' sex. This report by the ONS seems most concerned about identifying the method of homicide - especially knife crime - but not at all interested in identifying the sex of those who commit homicides and/or their victims.

The lack of sex data didn't just occur in the section about homicide. The sections about "other types of violence" - which includes "sexual offences, including rape, stalking and harassment, and offences flagged as domestic abuse-related" there's no mention of the sex of either victims or perpetrators. At all.

Yet at the very beginning of this latest ONS report, under the heading "Main Points," there's this:

New in this release This publication reports on experiences of crime by the victim’s gender identity for the first time, after a new question on gender identity was trialed in the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW) from 1 October 2019 to 18 March 2020. The data show those people whose gender identity is different from their sex registered at birth were twice as likely (28%) to be a victim of crime (excluding fraud) than those whose gender identity is the same as their sex registered at birth (14%) in the year ending March 2020.

Hmm, who is pulling the strings at the ONS? Sounds like Stonewall and the rest of the trans lobby.

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Is it now in 2020 in UK gender identity is considered to be recorded in victim and offender records, instead of sex? I will not be surprised huge percentage raise of uncharacteristic crimes and victims on the women's part of 2020 report.

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hm, now as I am thinking about that. Why offenders are counted as "men" or "women", but victims are counted as "transgenders"? They are TWAW/TMAM when it is useful and transes when it is not?

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, you got it: when TW commit crimes, press reports (and now increasingly crime stats in many places) always refer to these guys as "women." But when they are the victims of crimes - and other "injustices" like being "misgendered" or given side-eye or not centered, catered to and coddled in every convo and situation - they are always "trans women." And they're always the most "vulnerable, marginalized and oppressed" too.

[–]Doobeedoo661 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There’s a dedicated face book page which tally’s each woman murdered in Australia - Destroy the Joint. I’m not sure whether it considers transgendered men as women, but since they’re not a statistic in this instance...

[–]Tovasshi 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)


For comparison. In the last 20 years, there have been 2 trans people killed in Canada. One was an intimate partner that didn't know until he was in the middle of having sex and noticed the surgery scars. the other was killed by a non-binary man that knew the victim.

[–]DR373737 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea I spent hours and hours trying to research an actual count for women murdered in 2020 compared to the number of transgendered people murdered. I found transgendered number no problem, but when it came to women all I found was data from 2010-2015