Serious question.Could the LGB community get free from harassment from trans people by asserting their "cis" attractions to be fetishes?

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[–]lairacunda 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Depends. Gay men can and do establish boundaries and gay spaces that are respected. In theory they could get sued for discrimination, in the US anyway, but the truth is they rarely do. Female socialization is such that those 'exclusionary" policies are rarely challenged and most women (except traditionally, faghags - straight women who like gay men) aren't going to go to the club or bar and make a nuisance of themselves. Gay and Bi men who only want to be around other men don't usually have a problem finding them.

Lesbians on the other hand are basically shit out of luck. Women who try to establish women-only clubs will probably get sued. Announcing or publicizing events acts like a beacon for males. Men can and do bully themselves into spaces or else they try to sneak in. For them it's one big game of boys going where they are told not to go. Female socialization makes it difficult for many women to argue and stand our ground. Physical differences in strength and build make it improbable the interloper will be ejected. On top of that there is a never-ending parade of handmaidens willing to bring in their "girlfriend". There are also practically NO lesbian (or even just women-only) spaces or events left anywhere for lesbians to enjoy or males to invade. The current lesbian bumper-crop has no conception of what it means to be in women-only environments.

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Female socialization is such that those 'exclusionary" policies are rarely challenged

Not only that, women are physically weaker too, and it matter - like it was seen in Vancouver situation, when 2 meter tall transes came to opening ceremony and were screaming or intimidating with threat of violence. In UK they were knocking into windows and hitting doors with legs, screaming and drumming over walls, so women were feeling scared and it was too loud to speak for them. Or how transes vandalized memorial for victims of men's violence against women in France, when they just came and moved women away with intimidation or force. There were videos of Vancouver and UK situations in /s/LGBDropTheT, but I've lost them somewhere, and photos of France situation here in /s/GenderCritical/ a week or so ago. Same was with Michigan Women's Festival, where transes were loud nearby and attacking them, or with Vancouver Rape Relief, when transes were throwing dead mice there and pushed goverment to defund VRR. When man and woman write gender critical views in Twitter - it is woman who is fired from job. And so on.

Gay men on average stronger, especially masculine ones, than transes, so they afraid to jump on gay men, as gay men can hit back and break their faces (espceially if there more than one gay men), so they are going like that only on someone who is weaker than them. And transmen are still females, so they can't force or intimidate gay men, like transwomen who are still males can do with women.