The brutal honest truth about Transgender MTF dating. I could have predicted this ...anyone could have. The trans cult will never tell kids about the downsides.

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[–]CastleHoward 83 insightful - 1 fun83 insightful - 0 fun84 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

So the thing that always gets me is when I see that trans people won't date other trans people. It all boils down to the fact that the surgery doesn't actually work. The hormones don't actually do the whole job. There is this knowledge that it's going to be some sort of uncanny valley experience and unless you have a fetish nobody wants that in your most intimate and vulnerable moments. There is often talk of postop being different but it's doesn't. I would never sleep with a postop TiF. No fucking way is a pumped up flesh tube getting near my vagina or going in my mouth. I guess that makes me transphobic. I imagine that men feel the same. A hole in your body is not a vagina. It might resemble one from the outside. We know the complex structure of our vaginas. The muscles, the complete clitoris (not just the outside bit), the lubrication, the changes during arousal. It's not just a hole to stick a dick in. Men know that too. Sometimes they can pretend but that is exactly what it is, pretending.

[–]Cacator[S] 52 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 0 fun53 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The "Doctors" performing these surgeries couldn't tell the Hippocratic oath from their own arses. Some child with a boatload of mental issues will see this as an easy fix. It's only post-surgery they find out that those mental issues are still with them, and getting operated on didn't change anything.

[–]CastleHoward 33 insightful - 2 fun33 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

A person needs to be seriously suffering for a long time from the mental disorder of gender dysphoria to warrant a surgical and permant mutilation of the genitals. The doctors are taking advantage. Cutting off a man's penis and testicles is such an extreme act. Everyone acts like it's a regular Tuesday. On top of that, imagine the social pressure to celebrate the results of these surgeries. At 3 in the morning, after you have spent another long day pretending to be the other sex the reality must creep in. It must be awful. This poor man really thinks he can be a woman. I've said this before, delutional is soon going to be labled a transphobic word.

[–]Marsupial 40 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 0 fun41 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's insane. On a perfectly healthy woman's body, remove her breasts. Reshape her chest, maybe causing nerve damage in the process. Reshape her vagina to a penis. Stitch up her labia. Alter the urethra. Maybe even remove her uterus. On a perfectly healthy man's body, remove his penis to make a surgical hole that has to be dilated every day to not close up. Take skin from other body parts to make it, sometimes by cutting up the colon. Remove his testicles. Create breasts. Surgically alter his voice. Shave the cartilage in the throat to remove the Adam's apple. Modify facial bone structure until he looks like something he's not.

Give them hormones that aren't natural for their genetic setup. Assure them that this will make them happy. Start telling children and vulnerable teenagers that this is what they may want in the future and block their normal development.

It's barbaric.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

All because they "feel like the opposite sex", absolutely ridiculous.

[–]Seahorse 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a very savvy business strategy.

Instant networking - "Gender" psyches, doctors etc Instant referrals - Trans guys hang out in hordes so they'll tell each other to go to the same medical people.

Acceptance of complications, as long as they get through the surgery in one piece they basically expect complications and are ok with it.

Basically set for life as a practitioner.

[–]leninsleftnipple 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A natural vagina is always going to be infinitely better than a wound that has to be constantly dilated and taken care not to have feces and pus leaking out. But according to TRAs ooh that's just TERF propaganda, real neovaginas are identical to the real thing.

[–]goobandit 11 insightful - 5 fun11 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Men know that too

Not all of them apparently

[–]MarkTwainiac 78 insightful - 1 fun78 insightful - 0 fun79 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Here he is discussing his experience "stealth dating." The delusion, entitlement, hostility to "cisgender women" & men, sense of victimization, resentment & superficiality in this shallow person are strong.

https://youtu.be/5JsWCGr4ol4

On his stealth date, he was "feminine & flirty," "fun" & "romantic" - and he gave his straight male date "the full experience of me as a woman, an emotional sensitive woman who is in touch with her feelings" and "super feminine" and "touchy feely"... Yet for all that, the straight guy still ended up rejecting him once he found out that this "emotional sensitive" & "feminine & flirty" so-called woman is a male with male genitals.

Like all TIMs who ID as trans during or after puberty, the principal reason gay chaps like this bloke transition is always sexual: they think pretending to be a woman will enable them to bed straight men, and this will lead to their own sexual fulfillment. But whilst they are driven by their own sexual needs, they are so narcissistic that they have no fucking clue about how human sexuality actually works for the vast majority of our species! When their relationships don't work out as they fantasize & wish, the fault is never with the unrealistic nature of their fantasies & wishes - it's always the other guy & his "hangups" that are at fault.

After being rejected by the straight guy, this bloke asks in his video "what is the problem here?" But not even for a fleeting nanosecond does it occur to him that the problem might be him; his phoniness; his lack of understanding of straight male sexuality; his incredibly offensive, sexist, superficial view of what being a woman means (long hair, tons of makeup, lip injections, acting feminine & looking hot & sexy in a "girly" way); and his equally sexist & utterly daft, dead-wrong belief that a plastic Barbie doll woman-facsimile who spends most of his day in front of a mirror slathering on makeup with a trowel & practicing pouty-lipped "come hither" looks is what most heterosexual men dream of falling in love with and bringing home to their mothers one day.

Instead, he immediately waves his hands with his long fake acrylic nails in the air & says, "I can't figure it out. It's not for me to figure out. It's an issue he's got." And that's the entire extent of his in-depth analysis: I'm not the one with the problem here, all the problems belong the other guy. In the minds of most trans people, this is how it always goes: all their problems are the fault of others - "terves," "cis girls," transphobes, straight men. In their own eyes, most trans believe they can never do any wrong - and unlike the rest of us, trans people are never, ever prone to faulty thinking.

But the fact that TIMs like this fail to see is: most people are looking for partners, not performers, and most of us want to have authentic relationships with real people not waste with time people who spend every minute of every day playing dress up & pretending to be what they are not. If most people did want all this pretending & costuming, then Halloween would be every other day & the new fads of "cosplay" & LARPing wouldn't be so new & confined to narrow segments of the population - they would've been the norm for centuries & everybody would be doing them all the time.

[–]FluffyPotato 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I said this in the "How I became labeled a TERF" medium article I wrote in part three. It was not because they are trans or anything else. It is that every single one is acting the exact same way--it was fucking mindlblowing!!!!!!! And every time, they got super stalkery--some digitally and some in person. Every single fucking time. Every single fucking one has a story in their heads. I was talking to Duncan for those who are aware on Twitter directly via DM--he explained some gay male sexuality thing to me. He said that gay men, the subby ones, will say the words, "make me your boy" and the TIMs were saying that to me in messages, "make me your woman". Every single one has this fantasy all planned out in their heads of their entire lives--they have it all mapped out, and you are shit on if you do not fucking conform to the character role.

Fucking insanity

[–]CastleHoward 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm loving your Medium series. What a nightmare you were in! I think your voice is very important. Everything you say comes across as honest. Sounding the alarm. I'm happy you are free of that. Everyone here should read it.

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

FluffyPotato - I've found your Medium pieces illuminating. Thank you. But I've also found them confounding coz whilst you give all sorts of details about who you are, your height, what you look like, where you live, what you believe, who you hang with, etc you don't say when you were born or give your age - or even an age range.

Please consider providing this info, as so much of our experience especially around dating, sex, gender ideology & transology seem age or generation-specific.

Best wishes to you.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

so you can dox her?

[–]MarkTwainiac 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, I don't want to dox her. Of course not. I just think that providing her general age would be helpful to appreciating and understanding her experiences and analysis. Coz one's age and the generation to which we as individuals belong does affect what we see as the norm.

I was raised to see myself very much as a product of my time - I'm a Boomer and second-wave feminist who came of age in the 1960s and 70s. But it seems many younger people today are growing up with an entirely new and ahistoric mindset, meaning they think what they are experiencing/have experienced in their brief lifetimes is what all humans have experienced over time.

Please go through all my posts. I don't think you'll find any evidence that I want to dox anyone.

[–]CastleHoward 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I imagine she is in her early 30s. She's talks about being on the apps. This is a current situation she's describing and one that she's been navigating for a number years. She also seems to have moved into that second stage of womanhood. The stage where we look back and question what has happened to us.

[–]CastleHoward 34 insightful - 1 fun34 insightful - 0 fun35 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love this comment. Isn't it refreshing to hear a woman speak freely??

[–]jelliknight 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Transitioning" pretty expertly removes you from the dating pool. Gay men and straight women don't want you because you don't look like a normal man, straight men and lesbians don't want you because you arent actually a woman. Even bisexual people are attracted to both sexes of people, not likely both types of sexual characteristics in the one body.

It's almost not even possible to be sexually attracted to post op TIMs or TIFs. I don't think anyone really wants their ideal partner to have both tits and an adams apple, because up until now that hasn't been a type of human that existed. You might as well be sexually oriented towards people with 6 legs or tentacles. It really can't be anything other than a fetish to be sexually attracted to post op trans people as a group because it's a totally unnatural state of being.

I know this is going to be screen capped onto other websites as an example of trans-hate :) it's still true though

[–]levoyageur718293 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Your analysis is brilliant and insightful! Thank you for sharing it.

[–]terfy_delight 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Straight men are looking for women. Woman is not an identity. Its not makeup, being in touch with your emotions- looking or acting girly. Woman is an adult human female. No matter how strongly he identifies or how many surgeries he gets, its not possible to be that. People are won't say anything in day to day life bc really most don't care unless you're an asshole. But when you ask people to validate you with their bodies, you've gone too far. All these TWAW lies are doing a huge disservice to these people and its just going to make things worse for them mentally and emotionally. I would feel bad for them, but I'm out of fucks to give about TW and TRAs.

[–]greenish 57 insightful - 1 fun57 insightful - 0 fun58 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They always see it as a discrimination issue that people can be 'educated'/shamed/bullied out of, instead of what it is: people's inherent sexuality based on millions of years of evolution.

Humans are either attracted to males, females, or both to some degree (or possibly neither), and those are complete phenotypes. Once you start artificially messing with that you cease to resemble one phenotype or the other, and won't register as a viable partner to the vast majority of people (I'm talking about the actual sexed nature of your body, not masculine/feminine attire). Then all you're left with is those whose sexuality has a miswiring, ie fetish, possibly fuelled by porn.

They're not doing themselves any favours by refusing to acknowledge this basic reality, and then feeling sorry for themselves when they come up against it, and trying to make it everyone else's problem. It's never going to change, no matter how much cajoling/crying/manipulating/screaming/ostracising/legislating they do to try to force others to see them as something they just are not, and never can be, on a really fundamental biological level.

[–]AdmiralPangolin 53 insightful - 1 fun53 insightful - 0 fun54 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is this supposed to arouse sympathy from the viewer? He fails to acknowledge and realize that no one is owed affection, sex, attention etc. He seems to lead this in the direction that the only reason he transitioned is to level up his dating life which failed horribly obviously. What's the difference between him and what incels are saying?

[–]jkfinn 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What's the difference between him and what incels are saying?

That was my thought throughout watching this. According to Match, Inc the amazon of dating sites, 35% of site members never meet another person--and maybe they are the lucky ones. Also, only about 6-7% of Match (itself) are actually paying members and open to meeting. It's all about manipulation and everyone who participates is ripped off in one way or another. Many are furious and bring lawsuits etc. And, of course, a relationship is not a Right (the majority are frustrated in this area of their lives--I mean does this guy even work--it's hard to imagine it)

[–]AdmiralPangolin 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nicely said. Being in a relationship or something similar is not a right yet TRA are quick to say that due to "this and this" (being trans in this case) I am being discriminated against and my human rights are violated. Incels want the state to give them a wife, TRAs try to guilt trip people into dating someone they wouldn't under normal circumstances or ever for that matter.

[–]ruskiix 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He’s warning other people that they’re being lied to about the reality of dating as a trans woman, which is an attempt to help people who haven’t gone too far yet. Incels encourage each other to go further and further with the misery and hate.

This video was incredibly tragic IMO. So many people try to pretend it’s super easy to date while trans and most people won’t really see how isolated they are until they’ve done extreme things to their bodies. Because for a long time they’ll believe it’s just because they need facial surgery or more time on estrogen. Some decide they just need bottom surgery to fix it. And when when they’re still alone after, they’re stuck with the reality that they’ll never have a normal romantic life again.

[–]Marsupial 46 insightful - 1 fun46 insightful - 0 fun47 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I can't really blame anybody for not wanting to date somebody who's trans. There's just so much to upack. There's the social impact, there's the life-long treatments and medical implications, there's the dysphoria component, there's the fact that their bodies are not functioning as the gender they claim to be of and then there are the problems I see all over the trans community with the extreme need for validation and reassurance. I'd never volunteer to a relationship that from the start is full of trauma, dysfunction and mental illness.

[–]FluffyPotato 33 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 2 fun34 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Yup--I used to hang with these people back in the day when I was allowing myself to be woke boarded. Even going to the bathroom is an issue. The constant obsession of looking at themselves, checking themselves, not being able to fly without going through great lengths, always paying attention to every fucking minute detail of every conversation, everything they wear, buying a shit ton of makeup more than a drag queen, and acting overly dramatic and emotional.

PS has anyone seen R Dennis new videos? I try not to watch, but he either had his vocal chords done or is paying for voice lessons.

They all sounds like drag queen female impersonator clown cartoons when they talk.

As far as all of my anger and hate, my personal experiences are so fucking much these people can all live on an island somewhere together--all of them.

Edit: PS--how can you date someone you cannot even touch who hates themselves, who wants to love you and hate you at the same time, when they are triggered by your own body.

For fuck's sake.

I cannot even believe I wasted my time talking to , helping, or associating with any of them.

[–]our_team_is_winning 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

PS has anyone seen R Dennis new videos? I try not to watch, but he either had his vocal chords done or is paying for voice lessons.

Haha, I went to check. Wasn't sure I had the right channel as it was all anime. Then I heard the voice. I wonder is he inhaling helium just before recording? Or speeding it up somehow? I didn't SEE him, just heard him, so maybe a manipulated recording.

[–]Thatstealthygal 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Does he still have his Adam's Apple? That would surely be a clue.

[–]WildwoodFlower 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Even a simple "What's your name?" is a loaded question.

[–]penelopekitty 20 insightful - 7 fun20 insightful - 6 fun21 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

This person's problem is not being trans. They are being treated the same way most women are treated OLD. The problem is men being pigs. They should actually feel validated, they are having a very female experience.

[–]Riothamus 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Older women can still attract the straight men this guy wants but can never have.

Because they're straight and he's a guy.

[–]penelopekitty 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OLD - Online dating

[–][deleted] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How could they be so clueless to think that transitioning would be easy? That it would make all of their dreams (or fetishes) come true? Straight men won’t date them unless that is their own specific fetish and actual, genuine, lesbians for sure, will never date them.

Dating is difficult enough when one is clear about their sexual orientation, lesbian, gay or bisexual.

Trans?

I do not feel sorry for them. I do, however, feel extremely sorry for kids that have been transed. Kids do not truly understand what they were getting into before they start taking meds or have surgery that can affect them the rest of their lives.

I just wish that they would go away and get out of the LGB.

[–]ruskiix 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone on the trans rights side is selling this bullshit (“dating is so easy!”). And when they realize no one is interested, they’re sold the idea that they just need the next surgery to solve everything. And once surgeons have milked every penny they can, those same trans rights activists don’t bother to check in on them for the suicide rates AFTER everything is done. They’re thrown away even by the camp supposedly fighting for them.

I understand people not feeling sympathy but remember: no one is offering REAL mental health services to trans people. It’s affirmation only with a good shove down the pipeline and once you reach the end of the line, no one even answers your calls anymore. They’re being failed by everyone meant to help them.

[–]xandit 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

he's going for the surgery anyway

[–]yishengqingwa666 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just another entitled, whining male incel.

[–]Cacator[S] 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes, unfortunatelly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14PMg-Xgmis I feel for this person, I really do. There is no one around to stop the BS.

[–]SanityIsGC 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

He actually seems to believe the men who claim they would date him post-op. If men said that to him, I am willing to bet its simply a way to extricate themselves gracefully.

[–]FluffyPotato 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Here is what is going to happen (every post op TiM in my former area I just moved out of is single for MANY reasons--regardless if they want to be with men or women)--every man will use him as a cum dumpster. He will get that neo vag, and IF all goes well and he does not have a nightmare time, after he painfully dialates that wound for however many times a day they do that, after six months, this time will be worse. Men will want to stay just to fuck him, use him, and leave. He thinks he is depressed now?

As for you straight ladies reading this, YOU KNOW majority of men, like Hanna said, just want to stick their dick flower in a flesh vase (dammit she went pro trans, I do not believe it! She did that to pander and save her ass. Her entire skit was man hating, come on!)

Welcome, TiMs, to being used by men. Nothing new to see here. Move along.

[–]SanityIsGC 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've succinctly summed up the ugly, brutal truth that they seem incapable of facing. IMO anyone who encourages and supports those who want to transition is criminal for not confronting them with the brutal reality that finding a caring sexual partner, let alone a long-term relationship is going to be next to impossible.

[–]leaveandletleave 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But being used that way is what some of them want. They claim they’re better than “cis” women because they enjoy being humiliated and degraded because they know “what a real woman’s place is”. Can’t remember where I saw the image elsewhere on here or I’d link it. I don’t know why they think being treated like an object is going to make them happy. Maybe they think it’s better than never being seen at all.

[–]SanityIsGC 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Maybe they think it’s better than never being seen at all."

But that would be more delusional thinking because they'd be hooked up with someone who isn't interested in "seeing" the person. They'd be used, not seen. That said. maybe that would be enough for them as they would fill up all the emptiness with fantasy.

[–]leaveandletleave 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They seem to want the 1950s housewife fantasy, because of, not in spite of, the domineering lack of emotional connection.

I think the image I was referring to, of a TiM saying trans women are better than women because they know what men want, was posted to this account: https://twitter.com/tratakes/status/1283305261256466433

I can’t find it now, but if I do I’ll add the link.

[–]ComeTheFuckOn 18 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's hard to date straight men because you're a fucking man. IT"S OBVIOUS. God damn.

[–]Seahorse 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know the funny thing about this is, it directly contradicts the "Plenty of gay/straight men/women date trans people" myth that TRAs like to perpetuate.

I've got to researching the people that make these claims and they've often never dated ever or are completely inexperienced.

[–]Daraincork 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is heartbreaking. I have no words for this poor love.

[–]fuckingsealions 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I could only get through half of this, but it sounds like a similar rejection/ghosting rate that straight men get online dating.