"OP is a TERF" "Oh TERFS are the worst!"

submitted by RedditHatesLesbians from self.GenderCritical

And so on, back and forth, the ego stroking commences. Post can be completely unrelated to trans people whatsoever and they'll go deep diving into your post history once it gets popular enough, and then everything you've said means nothing in their eyes. So very sick of having to hide my GC views like they're on par with being an actual bigot.

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[–]BEB 52 insightful - 4 fun52 insightful - 3 fun53 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I actually think that we should be happy that trans activists use the word TERF, because then bewildered normies are all, "What's a TERF?" and then they find US.

Doing a search for TERF was what led me to the GC Reddit sub. And the rest is herstory...

[–]buttbuttinator 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Disagree. When I first heard the term "TERF" I looked it up and was really only familiar with liberal feminism and my main exposure to trans lunacy was the ones who clearly embraced a lesbian identity because being a heterosexual male made it easy to call them out on their problematic behavior. So when I saw these feminists (who I assumed were also pushing intersectionality since liberal feminists are basically the only ones getting publicity) then saying that it was patriarchy pushing these men to appropriate the lesbian identity it kind of irked me because these men (despite obviously being bad feminists) were clearly immersed in (a degenerate form of) feminist ideology, not any sort of (openly) male-centered ideology. To someone who doesn't know that radical feminism is a completely different school of thought rather than a different level of commitment "trans-exclusionary radical feminist" doesn't really explain a whole lot, it just sounds like you view being male as an original sin that can never be cleansed. It's not even an accurate label since so-called "TERFs" are trans-inclusionary regarding TiFs (though a fair few TRAs, on the rare occasion that they acknowledge their existence, seem to simultaneously argue that TiFs belong in both male-only spaces and female-only spaces because they are forced to recognize the fact that they aren't really any safer in male-only spaces than any other females would be). And frankly, defining an ideology by who it won't include is just inherently negative.

I think that gender-critical is a far better term. Right off the bat it makes it clear that these feminists don't endorse the idea of gender which I think is a more important pillar of the ideology. Obviously those of us who know the communities know that the two terms usually refer to the same people, but for a beginner being told that a community is trans-exclusionary radical feminists isn't particularly appealing while being told that they are against the role of gender in society is a lot more intriguing.

[–]BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that when people find out the ideology of the people trans activists call "TERFs" they won't focus on what the letters in TERF stands for, they'll nod their heads in agreement with TERF beliefs.

I personally have the same issue with "gender critical" as I did with (in the US) "single-payer healthcare" - the words are confusing and, at first glance, don't mean what you might think they mean.

In fact, I wish there was a word(s) for what GC feminists are trying to espouse without using "gender-critical" in the way that the Progressives finally switched "single-payer healthcare" to "Medicare for All" and then many people understood and approved of it. Like maybe "women's rights activist."

[–]Literallyawoman 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’ve seen so many reddit threads where someone is called a TERF, their comment is deleted, and when others ask what they said it’s brushed off with “they were a TERF!” as if the blatant censorship didn’t matter because hypothetically someone said something offensive and usually it’s as tame as “I don’t want to date someone trans” or “a woman is a person born with 2X chromosomes”

[–]meranii 36 insightful - 4 fun36 insightful - 3 fun37 insightful - 4 fun -  (17 children)

I see exchanges like that a lot online and it's so strange to me. These people really think being critical of gender and aware of the reality of sex-based oppression is on the level of being a racist, so when they publicly shittalk "terfs", everyone can see how tolerant and inclusive they are. Except a terf has never hurt anyone, we do not condone violence and are not a danger to human rights. But sure, saying "I was born a woman and you were not" is the most horrible and hateful thing anyone has ever done to another person.

[–]Immortallogic 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

In an interview from a detrans woman I saw, she described it perfectly, and that is that their entire identity is based on ideology and rests on a house of cards. Nowadays having to transition isn't even a prerequisite for identifying as trans. So when you point out a reality and the flaws in their logic (including TWAW but women are somehow 'uterus havers, birth givers' etc) or "I was born a woman and you were not" you are effectively destroying their entire "identity", because it's so paper thin and riddled with illogic to begin with.

It's just a bunch of low self esteem people who spend too much time on the internet, dissociated from reality, have mental issues and watching too much porn and who've decided they have nothing authentic to offer the world, so hey! Let's be trans. Let's be 'enby'. Also misogyny, sexism etc.

And the lobbyists are pushing the agenda because there is a shit ton of money to be made from these types of procedures.

To the people at the top it's literally only about the money. The damage to society, the erasure of women, and everything else, it's just a casualty, which, in a few tens of years they will say 'sorry, we were wrong. We should have known better'. By then, we're on to the next tragedy.

[–]OrangeFirefly 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's the politicians who go along with it, that's what I can't understand.

I'm in the UK and during the Labour leadership campaign I watched Lisa Nandy wittering on about 'denying transpeople's right to exist'. I'm sorry, what? How on earth is believing that biological sex is real 'denying transpeople's right to exist'? As you say, it's all ideology built on a house of cards.

Refusing to participate in another person's delusions is the sensible thing to do. I am so tired of politicians whose minds are so open that their brains have fallen out.

[–]BEB 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This attack on women might have a more sinister motive, in which case it's not going to disappear.

Some feminists who've researched this issue think that the end goal is disassociating children from their bodies, so that when trans-humanism arrives they will more easily accept it.

This writer has done a lot of interesting work on the transgender lobby - trans-humanism link. Her twitter is also excellent for finding other GC feminists.

The11thHourBlog.com @bjportraits (on Twitter)

You don't have to be on twitter to read tweets: Just type "bjportraits" and "twitter" into your search engine and she should come up.

[–]Immortallogic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I saw this somewhere as well, it's quite interesting tbh. Damaging as fuck, but interesting. Thanks for the resources, I'll def check them out and earn the parents of young kids that I know.

I also saw this image where in schools they're showing kids the different sexualities or whatever with lgbt nice and bright and rainbow colored, trans with the pink, blue and white and NB with some other bright colors. And for the normal heterosexual it's just grey and white. So of course the kids want to be associating with the bright and colorful ones. It's so fucked.

[–]BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Joe Biden's foundation has partnered with an organization called Gender Spectrum that goes into US schools with the kind of bullshit you're talking about, trying to convince very young kids that sex is a spectrum and that they might be transgender or whatever - as usual gender ideology logic falls apart on even the briefest inspection.

Last year, Gender Spectrum boasted on Twitter about targeting Hispanic children. I'm guessing knowing full well that a significant portion of these kids' parents would not speak English well if at all, or would be non-native English speakers. SHAMELESS.

[–]Immortallogic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Fuck this is all terrifying. There is little middle ground left in politics -_- time to go full force green party lol, but who knows their stance in this gender shit

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The Green Party somewhere in Europe, or it could have been the UK, decided to change the word for "women" to "non-men" so the Green Party (while I am very much an environmentalist) is not an option for me.

[–]Immortallogic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're serious? Jesus Christ. Who comes up with this shit?? And who endorses it thinking it's ok?

Looks like we got to start our own political party... CSP - the "Common Sense Party"

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Totally serious. It was some European or UK Green Party and they changed the definition of "woman" to "non-man"

IIRC The German Greens were full of TIMs, especially on their "Women's" committees.

[–]Immortallogic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Damn, Germany of all places too eh. The UK is falling all over themselves trying to accommodate TiMs, from what I've seen/read. I guess all the western lib democracies are breeding grounds for this shit.

The religious countries aren't, but they're against anything related to women's rights or seeing women as anything other than properties or breeders anyway anyway usually...

Not sure about the Nordic countries though, where they fall. If anything, they would be the ones to use some sense.

[–]meranii 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

100%, thank you for the dose of reality. <3

I agree that in a few years, we'll all have moved on from TWAW trend and the current gender cult, but until then they will demonize women who try to protect themselves, and then they will just attack women in a new different way. It's always the same throughout the centuries.

[–]Immortallogic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry for the late reply. You're welcome! The world is shit sometimes but you have to try and keep your sanity and don't get too sucked into this online world.

Keep speaking out in real life but keep it factual so you will be credible. Soon this house of cards will fall because of its illogic and narcissism.

Best thing you can do is stay strong, as a woman, cultivate a strong mentality and be super critical of everything mainstream media tells you is good for you, from beauty standards to what is "empowering" and all the rest. If you're not already, come join us over at the pinkpillfeminism sub here on Saidit. Much love sis <3

[–]yousaythosethings 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Which interview was that?

[–]Immortallogic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sorry for the late reply. It's this one https://youtu.be/n2HYucdoUuk

[–]yousaythosethings 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks! I really like Helena. She is very insightful and introspective.

[–]QueenBread 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's so strange to me

Not so strange. It's called "dehumanization". Humanity has done it since like.... always. "Oh, she's a witch, so I can torture her and burn her alive without feeling guilty" or "Oh, he's Jew, so I can torture him and burn him alive without feeling guilty".

[–]our_team_is_winning 25 insightful - 7 fun25 insightful - 6 fun26 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Radical Feminists exclude things that have nothing to do with women. Makes sense. All rights groups exclude unrelated topics. But we don't make up stupid terms like "Stuffed Animal Exclusionary Radical Animal Rights Activist" (SAERARA??) -- you say you care about animal rights, but what about stuffed toys? Don't plush teddy bears have the same rights as an animal assigned bear at birth? -- Sorry, fashioning a toy out of material and fake fur that imitates the look of an actual cat, dog, bear, turtle, horse, etc. is NOT an animal rights issue. I honestly feel it's that ridiculous.

[–]Immortallogic 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Lmao, this is a fantastic analogy. And stop being such a SAERARA, you TERF.

[–]transwomenaremen 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I can't use Reddit/essentially most social media for this reason. I genuinely struggle with my faith in humanity when I see the monstrosity that virtue-signaling has morphed into, this complete lack of independently figuring out your own beliefs. It's like, news flash, you're not a woke intellectual on the "right" side of history, you're a parrot.

Bit OT, but am now reminded of a really amazing essay on this sort of thing--alienation for believing in something that is staring the whole world in the face. On Disbelieving Atrocities - Arthur Koestler

Clearly all this is becoming a mania with me and my like. Clearly we must suffer from some morbid obsession, whereas the others are healthy and normal. But the characteristic symptom of maniacs is that they lose contact with reality and live in a fantasy world. So, perhaps, it is the other way round: perhaps it is we, the screamers, who react in a sound and healthy way to the reality which surrounds us, whereas you are the neurotics who totter about in a screened fantasy world because you lack the faculty to face the facts.

disclaimer, don't know about this blog, just Google'd for the essay

[–]BEB 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

AccioWomensRights makes an incredibly important point:

If we go onto normal Reddit (so Reddit subs that are away from anything even tangentially related to trans/women/detrans) and post GC thoughts or trans lobby outrages, we are going to get a lot of normies agreeing with us and we will gain a lot of supporters.

So post on Reddit! Post on the front page of SAIDIT.

RECRUIT the NORMIES!!!!

[–]Immortallogic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But how to bring gender into the convo for regular convos?

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The front page of SAIDIT seems to have a lot of men who aren't buying gender ideology, we can post there.

I've had a lot of luck introducing people to GC feminism by bringing up the attack on JK Rowling. It's a good way to segue into what she's saying and why it makes sense, and then, after the person agrees with you, you reveal that Rowling's thinking is basic GC feminism.

A lot of forums for other things, like gossip, or even IIRC gardening, sometimes have a political or current affairs sub.

I don't know where you are, but in the US many people are on this neighborhood forum called Next Door. I'm not because I feel like I know enough about my neighbors already, but I think Next Door sometimes has political/ current affairs subs.

My area has political rallies relatively frequently and I talk to people at those too.

[–][deleted] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I found the closer you are to the front page of reddit (e.g. whichever subs are on r/all or default), the easier it is to share GC views and get a ton of upvotes and agreements. It's when you're in r/trollx r/twox r/witchesvspatriarchy that you get called out. TIMs and TRAs know female-dominated subs are easier to control and shout on compared to the male-dominated front page. I remember getting a ton of support when defending JK Rowling on a 31k comment r/askreddit thread and the single TRA arguing with me was downvoted to oblivion. And this was right around the banwave.

[–]Marsupial 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't believe for a second that the trans movement is as widespread as these people try to make it seem. For most people transsexuality is extremely removed from their every day life and "trans rights" is at most an afterthought. Most people don't know what a TERF is and the absolute majority of people believe in men and women as the two genders and characterize people based on what they see. The vast, vast majority of people will never believe that TWAW if the TW they're facing looks like a man. And they know very well that men don't menstruate, get pregnant och have a vagina, and the women don't have dicks.
These ego stroking comments are just a small subset of peopole in a movement very few people care about, trying to make it seem like they're a majority.

[–]QueenBread 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Most people don't know what a TERF is and the absolute majority of people believe in men and women as the two genders and characterize people based on what they see.

Which is why now there's a propaganda going on to "educate" the masses into that.

[–]vitunrotta 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

When I first joined a Facebook group of intersectional feminists I was not that aware of the nonsense of NewSpeak they had already started spreading. In a completely, utterly unrelated post regarding anything trans (I can't even recall what it was) two SuperDuper LibFems™ started talking to each other - the discussion was pretty much this (and these were very FEMALE women, not genderqueer/nonbinary/trans or anything of the sort, though I sometimes wonder if they are both now "proudly" GNC probiotic transbenders or whatever the hell would be the words they use):

W1: And fuck all TERFs! All TERFs should be punched!

W2: Exactly! These disgusting TERFs deserve nothing but being beaten up! They are horrible and want to deny basic human rights of transpeople!

W1: Yes. Vile people. Scum.

W2: If I ever see a TERF I will punch them and that will be great!

...and so on, and so on. They kept going, pumping each other up. I had ZERO clue what TERF meant; based on their well educated opinions it sounded like TERF's were some fringe group of absolutely batshit crazy "feminists" who wanted to kill men, transpeople and anyone who wasn't woman, basically.

I was disturbed by their extremely violent commentary but didn't think much of it then, to my shame. Their entire vocabulary didn't (still doesn't) make any sense to me and they kept making the most obvious circular arguments - not just these women, I mean the entire community. Even a second grader could have easily proven they were talking out of their asses 99% of the time but voilá - anyone who dissented was duly removed and banned instantly.

I really doubt that these two darling ladies knew what they were even talking about. The word "punch a nazi" had been going around the internet already and it seemed to me they just took the word TERF and honestly believed these tErAbL TöRfS were literally like goddamn nazis, ready to commit mass murder and whatnot.

It was shocking to return to certain forums some years later - and see that this had not just been a small snippet of two womens' manic ranting: it was the norm now. This is the NewThink. Obey. Follow the blinding light that the blind created themselves. Do not question it or thou shalt be cancelled, doxxed, bullied and shamed.

Well, fuck that noise.

Edit: structure for clarity

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was blessedly unaware that Lib Fems existed until I saw a post about a TIM on a celebrity gossip site (don't judge).

So the posters, all women, were falling all over themselves with the stunning & brave accolades for the TIM, when some older woman very timidly said she didn't really understand how men could become women and asked, very sweetly, if the other posters could explain.

The vitriol the lib fem posters unleashed on this poor woman! They would have burned her at the stake, if they could, but none of them would actually answer her as to how a man could become a woman, it was all, "Educate yourself."

And that's just it - they can't explain how a man can become a woman. NO ONE CAN because it can't happen. It's a house of cards, as is lib feminism, and with any luck it will collapse soon.