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[–]lefterfield 87 insightful - 2 fun87 insightful - 1 fun88 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This just makes me sad. These kids can't handle disagreements about basic facts, to say nothing of emotional or political viewpoints. I occasionally read incel or MRA or things by blatantly racist/sexist/xenophobic assholes, just to see what these sorts of people say. It's often upsetting, so I don't do it that often - but it is still possible to read that stuff without being affected by it personally, via emotionally maturity and control. The idea that these kids have NONE of that, that they can't even read someone's opinion that they asked to read and submitted questions for them to answer... fills me with despair. Someone needs to break the bubble wrap around them, for their own good.

[–]Terfenclaw 59 insightful - 13 fun59 insightful - 12 fun60 insightful - 13 fun -  (1 child)

Lmao they thought they were gonna get the gendercynical strawman version of TERF arguments and get high off the validation of hearing what a hot mess we are. Surprise, muthafuckas!

[–]SameOldBS 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So fragile they can't handle someone actually making sense eyeroll

[–]Killer_Danish 51 insightful - 11 fun51 insightful - 10 fun52 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit -- EVERYTHING is triggering to the TRA brigade! They're so far from reality that they've fallen into Munchkinland!!

[–]Revision10 52 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 0 fun53 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This person’s identity rests on a house of cards that requires constant validation to remain stable and collapses with one mention of biology.

TRAs think that coddling, feeding delusion, and putting blinders and earplugs on transpoeople is how you be supportive. "You say it is so, so it is so". Then when they step outside the bubble for a moment, reality is somehow transphobic and they go into spirals of depression, self loathing, and misplaced anger.

Feeding the delusion is extremely harmful and disrespectful to both the transperson and the crowd they identify as. https://i.imgur.com/yifwYKR.png

[–]TarshishJupiter 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow that post. Seeing your imaginary world crumble around you must be devastating.

[–]AugustiJade 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This tells me that these children come from extremely sheltered homes, and are most likely quite spoilt.

[–]Cicerosolo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, not even. It's all social media, baby

[–]marmorsymphata 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is such a huge part of why transgender people are at such a high risk of suicide.

I have been in intensive therapy for many years to deal with my severe OCD. I think I can say by now that I have a pretty robust knowledge of how mental health care is supposed to work and how the experience of fighting one's own mind and one's triggers needs to be dealt with.

TRAs essentially tell trans people that they shouldn't get treatment. That this is a 100% external challenge like racism where working on oneself is not involved, that it must be conquered and that can only be accomplished by pushing yourself, and everyone around you changing instead.

But these are people with severe internal problems. These are people with TRIGGERS, real ones. They need to learn self-reliance. In my struggles with undiagnosed OCD, I relied on others to impart rationality on me when I could not parse, say, the low likelihood of my migraine being a brain tumor, like trans people rely on others to impart validation upon them. In my issues with Harm OCD I would even ask OTHER PEOPLE whether they thought I really wanted to kill myself because I was so utterly awash in the doubt that characterizes OCD. This can never be allowed to be the status quo because it cannot be maintained. You cannot live life with someone else as your strength. I think about how hard life was being unable to make sense of and with my own brain, and the thought that others are encouraged to live this way leaves me speechless.

You need to prepare people for the reality of life, to strengthen and bolster their mental fortitude and coping abilities so they can deal with whatever is thrown at them, not do your best to wrap a flimsy bubblewrap of fantasy around their frail, emaciated sanity and hope they never touch anything sharp...

...To the point of making them think they can handle ANYTHING. Like, look. I have been through an incredible amount of CBT. But with my Harm OCD as strong as it can be when I am truly triggered, it would STILL be the stupidest thing possible for me to, say, wander into a crisis stabilization ward or take a job as a suicide hotline operator. The TRAs set this poor person up to enter the most triggering place possible, a fucking ORGY, and we all know they will take no responsibility for sending them into danger because they refuse to acknowledge transgenderism is a disorder that requires protective actions. Like it's not even normal for the average person to even consider attending an orgy, and THIS is where they convince them to go?

Imagine if therapy for, say, Contamination OCD involved telling the patient that in order to be considered a healthy or recovered human being, they MUST eventually work their way up to a job working for the CDC handling medical waste. It's the same fucking thing as telling a trans person that they can only fulfill their identity with wild sex.

It is OK to not have a vibrant love life. It is OK to not have a large dating pool. Your worth as a human being is not tied to who you do or don't fuck or how much. Like all the mannish-looking women and girlish looking men before them have labored to learn, it is OK to not live up to society's shitty standards. But TRAs have convinced them that these things are the true and only essence of being considered human. Instead of helping trans people to be their own rocks, they tell them that everyone else both OWES them and owns their sanity, and that they can only ever live with the help of strangers.

[–]Overdrive 49 insightful - 2 fun49 insightful - 1 fun50 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Poor Amy, dude. I can't help but think that she got a good dose of what it's like being a "terf" that day. I mean she was being a reasonable TRA. Imagine shutting down and screaming at your own activists. This is why their movement is going to quickly slide downhill, it's going to be old news and companies and huge labels will want to move on to the next woke subject. You label your own supporters like that when all they were doing is what you asked of them...how fragile can you get.

[–]jet199[S] 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Someone pointed out she'd probably be better off if the GC crowd did all bully her and say mean things because if her friends see a bunch of evil TERFs supporting and defending her that's going to make the TRA hate her even more.

[–]meranii 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's a hallmark of irrational and self-obsessed people that anything that makes them feel bad, or even just uncomfortable, means the other person is automatically bad, malicious, an enemy. Nothing Olivia said was mean or even unkind or wrong, and they cannot actually point to anything specific, but they still freak out and say it's transphobic. Why? Because they feel it somehow is. Because a "terf" should not be allowed to speak at all. Anyone who disagrees with them and their worldview is not allowed to speak.

Notice how they needed to see Amy (who is firmly pro-trans) grovel and apologize over and over again? And it still won't be good enough, years down the line Amy's TRA "friends" will still bring up how she "gave terfs a platform". They enjoy putting the emotional thumbscrews on any women who need to be "punished" for stepping out of line.

[–]SameOldBS 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're a perfect example of how bullying and fragility are two sides of the same coin.

[–]INeedSomeTime 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They can't point it out what's transphobic because they simply have a huge meltdown that transmen are biologically female and transwomen are biologically male. They expected to see an angry "TERF" scream that transmen would never be men but women only. But what was shown was the clear distinction between so called mental gender and biological sex. Both respected - yes, you're a transmen and will use your pronouns but at the same time you're biologically female.

It is a bit sad TRAs feed these kids lies that since they are transmen then they are biologically male this way too? Jesus, that's really a cult.

I doubt something what requires so much cognitive dissonance and external validation will last long. It sounds like a very exhausting and mentally draining life-style.

[–][deleted] 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

"I can't help but see this as being dangerously unhealthy." Damn right it is. When I identified as a trans man I noticed the exact same thing. I felt like going crazy that I had to police everything I did online in case I'd accidentally "trigger" someone. And everything was triggering! Even talking about trans issues. It baffles me, the kids are all super triggered at everything and many of them also want to be involved with politics.. like?????? How that even work if you cry anytime someone disagree with you?

[–]jet199[S] 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I've seen a few detrans people saying that they never felt dysphoria over names, pronouns, biology, etc until they transitioned. So the supposed cure is creating the disease.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Then why did they try to transition?

[–]jet199[S] 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because they either had body dysphoria, didn't fit in or hated the roles the saw for women in society. All normal things for teen girls and young women.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 24 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Oh my God this is like the knitting purity spiral all over again.

Love it

[–]levoyageur718293 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ooh, what happened there?

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

If you Google 'knitting purity spiral' you can find several articles from your outlet of choice on the matter, but my favourite articles on the topic are these three from Quilette.

But in brief: a woman (who usually blogs about knitting) posted a blog about how 2019 would be her 'year of colour' and how excited she was to be able to travel to India, something she had wanted to do for several years. She described the experience of being offered a trip to India as akin to 'being offered a seat on a flight to Mars' and of course the Little Hitlers latched onto that comment and accused her of 'othering' India and, by extension, Indians.

Things quickly spiralled out of control and, as the first of the Quilette articles above rightly states, the whole sordid affair turned into a knitted Instagram witch trial. I feel sorry for the people who were caught up in it, but if, like me, you find yourself drawn into this trainwreck, I'd recommend some of the videos from Unsafe Space on the matter.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

WTF is “year of color”? And WTF she meant by going to mars?

That said though India isn’t for the faint of heart.

[–]Cass 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for posting those links. I haven't read them yet, but it's the kind of drama I like.

[–]Cass 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Read the articles and they aren't as funny as I expected. Everything happened in the first half of last year and since then people like the crazy SJWs moved into real life and they're winning. And you can't speak against them because either.

[–]SameOldBS 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That was insane. Instagram's knitting community meltdown was what first woke me up to woke and the insanity at its heart. It was like a prophylactic because I realised anything producing results that nasty could never be based on anything decent.

[–]girliiish 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m actually mutuals with Olivia on twitter! That thread was a wild ride... it seems they know they are wrong and delusional but still desperately cling to being wrong and delusional anyway.

[–][deleted] 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ovarit

Society is doing these people a disservice. How will they learn to cope in the real world when the slightest mention of anything outside their fantasy and half the world's population triggers them?

[–]worried19 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Those poor kids. I can't even be mad at them. I just feel sorry for them. I don't understand how they can be so out of touch with reality. Is this really how the entire younger generation is?

I feel old, and I'm only 25.

[–]RedditHatesLesbians 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm 16, I promise we're not all like that! This is a very specific niche of teenagers who are the same type who would have otherwise been anorexic or self harmers a few years ago, or emo. The typical very insecure, typically teenaged girl who latches onto a self destructive coping mechanism to cope with puberty and maturing. Like anorexia, transing is an escape from womanhood, an "easy out." This is shown in the ridiculous amount of trans boys compared to any other demographic.

[–]SameOldBS 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow - I wish I'd been half as articulate and insightful as you at 16 - kudos!

[–]INeedSomeTime 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm happy to see more gen Z people seeing through that trans craziness. I'm 20 here.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good to see teenagers who are able to see through the woke madness.

I feel like social media has really done a number on young girls. Particularly anxious, depressed, isolated ones. Girls who are out living their lives are not likely to be glued to their screens all day commiserating with others about their body hatred.

[–]marmorsymphata 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what happens when a diagnosis starts being offered politics instead of therapy.

[–]fuckupaddams 17 insightful - 7 fun17 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

We need to bring back the coal mines.

JK but these kids have way too much fucking time on their hands. Jesus Christ how are you so sensitive.

[–]jet199[S] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

[–]Star 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have to say as someone fairly new to all of this and this time last year might of been considered a TRA I really really enjoyed reading her answers. It was very well structure and articulate and I'm sure that is the reason they got so upset, it probably made sense to a lot of them and they didn't like that one bit.

[–]Shesstealthy 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

This reminds me of some furore I saw around a shared post saying "it's not for cis women to tell transwomen they don't get periods". As soon as someone said "yeah but obviously they dont though" there was a huge pile on about estrogen affecting smooth muscle and not defining periods by a waste product (even though a PERIOD is literally THE BLOOD BIT of menstruation) and ra ra histrionics from trans and handmaid alike.

But, I thought, that's not what the meme was saying. Everyone knows TW do not bleed from nonexistent uteri at any time. The meme is actually saying "if they say they have a period ie they want to call some cramps or whatever a period, that is their thing. Just smile and nod and say nothing because making a big deal about biology will make them sad."

At best they want kindness. They want us to look the other way. All these desperate wellmeaning attempts to redefine our bodily functions are a mess that does nobody any good. People should just stop with it.

Unfortunately the loud minority are the problem.

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[–]our_team_is_winning 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Do you all know the South Park commentary song "In my safe space"?

My fave line "reality we can do without!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U

[–]Immortallogic 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome to the coddled, delusional, narcissistic generation. I guess this what happens when you are born into social media and forget that reality exists outside of your screen.

The cognitive dissonance that riddles these slides is unreal. "Just because we asked for it, doesn't mean we wanted it!!"

[–]Poppy29252 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm so interested in this but the images aren't loading for me.

[–]carvedapple 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Are you able to read it on Twitter? https://twitter.com/terfalicious/status/1296755593772965889?s=19 She gave very thought-out and insightful answers, I'm sorry they were taken down.

[–]Cass 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So you hear in the news about a 7yo wearing a MAGA hat being attacked, a toddler being knelt on in the name of BLM and you think "this can't be how these people are" but yes, yes they are. Going on the attack when they see someone who thinks differently is what they do. Being civilized to someone who think differently is nothing less than "sinister", as that tra put it.

[–]Cicerosolo 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Lol what a bunch of fools. And peoe wonder why Asian kids destroy everyone on a whole

[–]dustyboobs90 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What??