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[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

When did they peak? Never. My old man doesn't believe man can be woman alright, but he thinks I'm exaggerating when it comes to men invading women's spaces. I can never get a more deep discussion about it cause he feels attacked if I go "patriarchy this and that" and stuff.

My sis is a libfem, which is a shame cause she is way smarter and more eloquent than me. She is also a lesbian, so I feel like she's bound to a rude awakening.. I also believe she doesn't have much contact with trans people, especifically TIMs so theres that.

My mom believes TIMs are harmless gay men that just want to pee..

I don't have many friends these days but the ones I have don't seem to care about trans issues, or know anything about it. They probably think trans people are just gay men and lesbians trying to escape homophobia and that transitioning is harmless, "it's not hurting anyone".

I dunno how I would talk about it with other people, I was severely bullied in my teens, and the thought that I could be bullied again for believing men are not women is probably what makes me think twice before engaging this kinda conversation with strangers offline. Also I'm desisted, I identified as trans man for years but never transitioned.. so, seeing how people tend to dismiss detransitioners as "not really trans" and hateful, I feel my experiences with the trans community will not be heard, they'll just accuse me of lying. Feels like there's no way to win.

[–]vitunrotta 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

don't seem to care about trans issues, or know anything about it

This is the biggest problem, in my opinion. I only found out how far spread and dangerous this whole thing had grown into as my sister kept sending me links to certain posts. I admit I thought it was a general overreaction at first (not hers, but the radfems), things cannot be that bad, I mean... Can they?! Then I actually read all these things she'd sent me and I have been steadily peaking since. But it's really hard to convince anyone that this is a REAL issue because it's very coyly hiding behind the "progressive veil," and it's made to look like some innocent little thing like cAn i JusT peE?!

As for older and in some cases very traditional people: like you said, they certainly do NOT believe men can be women (or vice versa) but see this whole ordeal as complete nonsense on both sides. Trying to get a point across about women-only spaces is a no go, because they don't understand the need for these spaces in the first place. Also, a lot of men are unfortunately VERY unempathetic towards anything that doesn't directly concern them, and duly shut their eyes and ears and go on with their merry lives. I have told my partner (male) about these things, and he is DEFINITELY on my side in this, but he's not the one to take any sort of action about this either. It's not his problem, you see...

I'm sorry to hear about your experience about detransitioning also, and that you're basically now considered an outcast in your own community. That sounds horrible. I hope you get some support somewhere, and at least know that there are people who - while perhaps not understanding the depths of your situation - are sympathetic towards it. Like this GC platform, hopefully.

(Side question: hope I'm not prying but I'm curious about your username, as it sounds Portuguese? I live in Lisbon myself, so it piqued my interest. If you do not feel comfortable saying where you are from though, I completely understand.)

[–]PeakingPeachEater[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yep! The men in my life don't quite grasp what we go through as women. They don't see how we're effected by this. I have to admit, when I in the "transitioning phase" I thought people were overreacting about the "gender-neutral bathrooms" but after peaking, I see what the problem is with that. If I understood correctly, are they wanting to make bathrooms for both men AND women to "do their business" together? That seems HIGHLY uncomfortable. From what I've seen in my travels though, the gender-neutral toilet is just a one stall?? Basically a family bathroom, no?

Right now, I work with a TiM as my boss...I've always wondered if he used the women's bathroom or the "gender-neutral" ones that our "progressive" workspace provides...

[–]distortedlinds 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ive gone full info sucking up all this information and seeing how many angles this transgender movement has (its HEAVY), my husband i watch 1 video a day about listening to someone explain it, or reveal things..and hes slowly REALLY understood the deep fuckery of all this. ive been amazed at watching him totally get it, its been beautiful. its been uncomfortable for him at times because it is SO much information and seriously depressing, and i told him i cant explain why this is a something innately inside me i have to research (i do a podcast revealing all this). but we've found a happy medium of discussing and even joking about it, because even for me its been too much at times so i really do have to take breaks. my research has been nonstop. (listen top my podcast called: Life Through a Distorted Linds to hear more)