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[–]meranii 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Can you specify how you are "on opposite ends from most feminists"?

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    [–]jelliknight 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Abortion rights and adoption are completely unrelated issues. Please allow me to educate you on this topic.

    If abortion is illegal, women lose all rights over their bodies for their entire fertile lives. When a woman has missed her first period, she is defined as being already 4 weeks pregnant. Many times women conceive and then miscarry during the monthly cycle and have their next period as normal. This is called a chemical pregnancy as it would show up on a pregnancy test, but since you don't miss a period most people would say you weren't really pregnant (even though there was definitely a conception).

    Almost anything can cause a miscarriage. Pomegranates, parsley, certain seeds - all of these have potential abortive actions. Falling, jumping, crunches, really any vigorous exercise can also cause an abortion in certain circumstances. The only difference between a miscarriage and an abortion is whether or not the woman is believed to have intended that outcome.

    No birth control is 100% effective, and women don't always get to choose whether or not to have sex.

    Add all these up and the result is that if you criminalize abortion you criminalize women. All women between the ages of 13 and 60 are murder suspects all the time.

    My period is a day late and I ate a pomegranate. Am I now a murderer? Can I prove that I'm not?

    I was 12 weeks pregnant and i went for a bike ride. Later I had a miscarriage. Murderer?

    I was 4 month pregnant and I wasn't happy about it. I had a miscarriage. Can I prove it was natural?

    This already happens in other countries. Women are in jail for having miscarriages they swear were unintentional.

    More to the point, whether or not you think a conception or a fetus is a human, it's inarguable that THE WOMAN is a human. Pregnant women don't stop being human beings. They still have rights to go where they like, eat what they like, exercise any way that that like, and touch their own bodies in any way they like. There is NO WAY to prevent abortion without taking these rights away from women. Trust me, there are dozens of safe and reliable ways for women to procure abortion without medical help. What should the punishment be for a woman who firmly massages her own belly? To outlaw abortion or even restrict it is to make women prisoners in their own bodies.

    You can dislike abortion, but opposing its legality is plain old woman hating and it has real consequences. Not every woman knows how to safely procure an abortion so women die when abortion is limited.

    Men have never been comfortable with the inescapable fact that women by nature determine which babies will be born, when, and to whom. The struggle by men to gain control of this has been the cause of a lot of suffering in the world.

    The fact is that a fetus is NOT a person, it is a PART of another person; the woman. If you have any doubt about that there's a simple thought experiment; What medication could I take that would have an effect on you? What medication would cause a risk to you by me taking it? None. Because we are different people. If i have a 6 year old child and I take medication it can't possibly harm the child. The only body affected by me taking medication is mine. And I have the right to decide what happens to, in, or on my body.

    [–]SterlingRoark[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    I appreciate the time you put into this. So without arguing with you, because let’s be honest, we won’t change each others minds, I will just say there are some areas in there that I do not agree with. I would never count a miscarriage as an abortion. I think most reasonable people wouldn’t, and obviously I am not referring to rape/incest. Maybe I should have been a little clearer, I don’t like people using it as birth control. But anyways, I am not a politician, so my personal thoughts won’t effect you unless somehow a candidate with the same exact views as me gets elected. Until then the current laws/debate is not a result of my personal opinions. Anyways I do want to reiterate I appreciate your well thought out response and you make several good points.

    [–]jelliknight 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    A miscarriage literally is an abortion. It's a natural or spontaneous abortion. The only difference between a miscarriage and an abortion is whether or not you believe the woman intended it.

    I don't believe that anyone actually 'uses abortion as birth control'. That's a conservative myth.

    Your views do matter. You vote, you talk to people who vote.

    [–]lairacunda 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    N0 actually, his views DON'T matter. Please stop feeding this pap to adult male children.

    [–]lairacunda 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    What you need to understand is that reproduction, who gets to be born and who doesn't, is a female prerogative. Males have no business even having an opinion on this. MALES ARE NOT IN CHARGE OF REPRODUCTION. The only say you get is whether or not you are willing to have sex with a woman who wants to have sex with you. The End.

    [–]SterlingRoark[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    So I guess if it is a female prerogative then paying child support can be a male one. Okay, good to know all those guys who don’t pay are off the hook.

    [–]lairacunda 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The men paying child support have sired an offspring... probably consensually and intentionally.