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[–]Complicated-Spirit 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Psychology and mental health took a giant step back when it was decided, back in the age of castrating gay men to “cure” them, that the solution to feeling as though one was born in the wrong body was to mutilate it until it resembled the opposite sex, and pump it full of pharmaceutical hormones until it drops dead. It was back when therapy was taking a back seat to more “modern and scientific” interventions like popping pills and slicing someone’s brain open. So much could have been addressed and researched and a genuine, real cure could have been found. But no.

If you have depression, is the progressive, science-based treatment the one in which you’re allowed to take your own life at will? What about DID - should we invent some kind of artificial, plasticized skin that can change appearance drastically, perhaps with the touch of a button on a remote control, so the sufferer’s current alter can be represented accurately? Should people with BIID have healthy limbs cut off? If you’re anorexic with a considerable case of BDD, should your medical care team work together to create the most skeletal body possible for you, because that’s what you want, and that’s what you see as your ideal, rather than the body you have now?

One wonders why all of these things were anathema, whereas SRS and lifelong hormonal treatment to “turn a man into a woman” and vice-versa got the green light. Honestly, I wonder how much of it had to do with sheer fascination rather than any real interest in the long-time well-being of patients.

[–]CleverNickName 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the one baffling thing I never knew how to put into words. Other conditions where what I see in the mirror, or feel when thinking about myself, is "wrong" to me, and they are treated by the root-cause. Why not sex dysphoria? Especially since I have never seen any real convincing argument as to how perceived gender can be innate at all, and it always boils down to gender stereotypes, and those are all taught in the first place, so they can definitely be un-taught. Everyone unlearns numerous gender stereotypes in the course of their life.

It's encouraged regression. The world isn't going to be a better place if men are "allowed" to become women and women are "allowed" to become men. The world will be a better place when women can be whatever kind of person they want to be, and men can be whatever kind of person they want to be.

[–]jelliknight 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you have depression, is the progressive, science-based treatment the one in which you’re allowed to take your own life at will

This is already a thing in 'progressive' countries. A dutch 17 year old was given euthanasia for depression. People trying to hard to be "woke" they forgot how to be good.

[–]SarahSaysSure 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Wasn’t that a misunderstanding from translated news sources? I thought she died of starvation instead.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it was a matter of misreporting. I just posted a couple of links above.

[–]YoutiaoLover 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's heartbreaking. I had severe depression a few years back, was suicidal and now I'm really grateful to be alive. That teen needed help. "Progressive" nowadays is literal poison to humanity.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you mean Noa Pothoven, it's not true she was given euthanasia; the press reports saying she did were in error. Pothven's request for euthanasia was turned down by Dutch health authorities.

She died at home after she stopped drinking and eating. But apparently she had family and a doctor who went along with this, which is unusual. In most countries, and in most families, a troubled minor so intent on self-destruction would be put in a hospital where she'd be put on IV drip hydration and some sort of forced or tube feeding. And she'd be given intensive in-patient psychotherapy, and every possible anti-depressant med and therapy would be tried, including ECT and IV Ketamine.

In the countries where euthanasia is allowed, it's rarely done for solely psychiatric reasons - it's usually done for people who are suffering horribly due to physical illnesses that are terminal and incurable and the agony of which is not easily reduced by painkillers - like cystic fibrosis, Huntington's and certain advanced cancers.

https://www.insider.com/noa-pothoven-dutch-euthanasia-clinic-address-media-error-2019-6

https://www.insider.com/noa-pothoven-teen-death-puts-spotlight-on-europe-euthanasia-laws-2019-6