Moving to France doesn't make you French

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[–]firebird 35 insightful - 28 fun35 insightful - 27 fun36 insightful - 28 fun -  (2 children)

"Suck my baguette, bigot!"

[–]VioletRemi 11 insightful - 8 fun11 insightful - 7 fun12 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

I will take my knife and cut it to pieces with pleasure.

[–]MarkTwainiac 22 insightful - 16 fun22 insightful - 15 fun23 insightful - 16 fun -  (3 children)

Enjoyed this a lot, OP. Thanks for the chuckles.

Others get mad at you and call you an ugly American. These people you label haters.

You further accuse them of having a fauxbia - thereby putting a whole new spin on the linguistic concept of faux amis.

https://frenchtogether.com/french-english-false-friends/

More and more Americans start coming over to France and saying they are French. Their tourist visas expire and the French government tries to send them home but they refuse to go, saying that inside they are French, and must be accepted as citizens.

In loud, rude, aggressive voices typical of "ugly Americans," these Yank interlopers constantly repeat the catchphrase, "But we just want to oui!"

[–]feministunderyrbed 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

fauxbia

Lol! I thought that’s what TW got from surgery to give them labia.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I call it a fauxlva, although fauxbia would fit too. As does fauxgina.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 17 insightful - 6 fun17 insightful - 5 fun18 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

Damn, I’ve been wanting to write one of these for a long time but with Japanese instead. You did it better than I ever could though, so kudos!

Or should I say, bon travail!

[–]Astrid2448 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If transracial ever became a thing you better believe the Japanese and Koreans would get an influx of creepy incels... as the lesbians are now

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't understand why transracial isn't a thing to be honest. If we allow self-identification to override reality in this instance (we obviously don't but you get my drift) then there is literally no reason why we can't allow transracial people to identify however they like, or 'transabled' people to identify how they like either.

[–]Astrid2448 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is actually a theory gaining some ground in academia called racial formation theory.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sweet mother of cheese and rice no.

Fine, I am a penguin, Carbon gender penguin.

[–]arc-en-ciel 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's an example that could work for either weebs or ouibs! Maybe you should write the post anyways.

[–]vitunrotta 13 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 7 fun -  (10 children)

Putain de merde je suis totallement d'accord! Kisses fingers Thank you for this. Might save for later if (and when) I need to explain this whole situation while using my crayons and dollies.

("Dollies" always makes me think of Melissa McCarthy doing her perfect SNL Sean Spicer act, lol)

[–]Chewedanddigested 10 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

Ah yes “you can stick your kittens in the oven but that don’t make them biscuits”. Or so my great grandma would say.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

!!! Your g gma said this? lol

[–]sisterinsomnia 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Very good. I had a story about an invading force entering the Country of Women. The invaders called themselves refugees and were successful in making the original residents see them as such. But while real refugees would just silently try to learn about the country and get their lives at least a little bit fixed, the colonizers begin by demanding that all the basic laws of the country be changed and that what history can be talked about must be policed.

The old rule about citizenship was that the basic rule was to be born into the country. Not so, after the colonizers have said their bit. Now the basic rule is what the colonizers satisfy but perhaps nobody else among the existing inhabitants. When some of them complain, the colonizers tell them that they obviously identify as men and should leave the Women's Country for those who do identify as women (which means loving pink, sparkles, sleepovers, makeup, erotic clothing and girly talk).

The policing of history means that old role models in the history books of the Women's Country are now assigned to various trans groups, because they didn't act in properly feminine ways. And neither can the old cultural issues be now discussed, such as the female body, as the colonizers don't have those.

[–]meranii 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Magnifique analogie! Seriously, that was funny as hell, too bad so many are blind to how ultimately ridiculous it all is.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Should of used an Arab country as an example. It's WAYYYY more accurate.

[–]Anoki 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As someone who was born in France , I agree it’s not because you have the nationality that you can consider yourself French, it’s like men can’t become women and vice versa

[–]Astrid2448 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Haha. I wonder how Rachel Dolezal didn’t peak more people.

[–]brink 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Not enough coverage maybe? I still don't know why more people don't mention her when comparing.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I mean, I get it, but immigrants exist?

You don't have to have French lineage from Roman times to move to France, get citizenship via their laws, and voila! be french.

For this analogy to hold up to biological womanhood you'd have to think that French citizenship was only open to people of French heritage, and that non-french people can't go to France.

[–]truthwins 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That’s not how it works for Europeans. Trust me, I’m American but I also have a German passport because my grandfather is from Germany. All of my siblings do, and my older sister lives in Germany, speaks fluent German, and is a citizen. But even she wouldn’t call herself German to them, she tells them she’s an American with a German passport. It’s not just a nationality because European countries weren’t made to be melting pots. Similarly, if I moved to Japan, got citizenship, and spoke fluent Japanese, would you look at me, a white person, and call me a Japanese? Probably not. I’d be an American with Japanese citizenship who also spoke the language. A TIM may have an ID that says he’s a woman, but genetically and biologically he is still male. Always. You can’t identify your way into biology.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"It’s not just a nationality because European countries weren’t made to be melting pots." That's a bit of an odd statement considering British history.... There's actually a lot of migration to Europe. Legal and otherwise, especially into the larger cities.

You're conflating biological race/ethnicity with the legal fiction of nationality. A European will never BE Japanese, but there are pathways to citizenship available for Europeans to join Japanese society and be equals, regardless of how they are viewed on the outside.

Case in point: If your grandfather is German then your sister is at least part German.... I don't get your analogy. Does being born in america negate her German ancestry?

This is why it falls apart. I can be California born, Hungarian, Austrian, and Moravian Czech (Austro-Hungarian if you're up on your pre-WW geography) by blood - I can move to any of these countries and assume the legal sanding of citizen, without any part of my past lineage being erased.

Say I move to Austria from California, I still am part Austrian on my mother's family side. I wasn't born into the legal fiction of Austrian citizenship, but I have Austrian blood. I never lost that, but men aren't 'part woman'. There's no blood or nationality for them to assume.

To get your analogy you would have to argue against legal nationality by equating it with legally changing your sex.

[–]truthwins 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Let me put it this way: I currently live in Ireland. The Irish hate it when people who aren’t from the country claim to be Irish. They’re called “Plastic Paddies” and are mocked. It doesn’t matter that I’m 40% Irish according to my DNA test; I’m not Irish. Even if I got citizenship, I didn’t grow up in the country or the culture. I will never be fully Irish in their eyes. Which is fine, because that’s how Europeans see it. If you go to Austria and claim to be Austrian, the Austrians will roll their eyes behind your back; I’m serious. It’s one thing to have Austrian ancestry and even citizenship, it’s another to be Austrian.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what you're missing is that there's multiple ways to BE irish. and none of them are based on rolling irish eyes.

The irish might roll their eyes, but if you have part or no irish blood but citizenship via their laws you are still their equals under their laws. You ARE irish as seen by the law.

You can have irish blood and be born in america with irish american culture. The irish in ireland might roll their eyes, but it doesn't erase your ancestry.

You can have no blood, be born elsewhere, migrate as a child and be raised in Irish culture. Are you irish enough to stop dem rolling eyes?

You can be full blood or half blood or no blood only existing withing their law structure as Irish on paper and STILL be irish. Rolling eyes notwithstanding.
You would have to have a hitlerian level of pure blood family's been here for centuries papers please view of nationality and ethnicity for your analogy against gender identity to work.

It falls apart because while there are many ways to interact with an ethnicity and culture, but there is no way a man can be the same a biologically different woman, no matter how much he mutilates himself.

[–]yousaythosethings 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The idea would be that you can become a French citizen under the law but you are never truly French and always distinguishable from other people born and raised there and who did not come from some other background. In the west, governments are allowing men to change their legal sex to female, but it's a legal fiction and we all know that. It didn't make them female as a practical or factual matter. It should also not be taboo to point out that there are differences between natal males who change their legal status to female.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What if I was part French via my family but happened to be born elsewhere? If I moved back to France after being born abroad would I still not be 'French' as I was not raised there? What if someone from Nigeria happened to be born in France and raised there with Nigerian customs in a Nigerian neighborhood in Paris - do they get to be French while someone born in the US with French blood is not french?

What does it actually mean to 'be French'.

This analogy falls apart because it's conflating legal nationality or blood ethnicity with men changing their sex to women. Men can't be 'part woman' or have a connection to womanhood the same way someone can be connected to a country or ethnicity in multiple ways.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That was awesome. Thank you.

I have Cherokee blood in me, although the Scottish and Irish genes painted on my ghostly canvas.By law, I have the percentage needed--more than 1/16th to declare myself Cherokee in the Eastern Band.

Do I? No.

I am genetically, by law, able to do this and I do not.

If I told someone I was Cherokee they would probably laugh their asses off. I was not raised in their culture. I was not raised with any Cherokee traditions. I do not wear any clothing that could be used as a symbol of Cherokee. I do not visit their lands, or take part in their festivals. It is not that I am not a fan I just am not a part of that, because, I am not!

SO then I think about males larping as women because "Hooked on a Feeling!" and I am just floored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

[–]Marsupial 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How about we don't conflate the gender issue with something that's actually feasible, ie an American becoming French by becoming a French citizen? This is not an apt comparison and the rethoric tends to border right-wing arguments. This comparison sounds like an attempt to muddy the discourse. Changing citizenship or moving countries are not the same thing as attempting to change your sex.

[–]SameOldBS 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely brilliant!

[–]brink 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So well put. Thank you for writing this.

[–]sallyseton 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sauvage! Tres bien

[–]levoyageur718293 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ehh, nobody said anything when I did this same thing but for St. Lucia...