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[–]greenish[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There is a problem with this. Holding up other countries where gender laws have just gone through with no public awareness or debate as being more progressive is false. Women have not been listened to, and we are still being painted as hysterical, unfair, and mean, as if it's a two way street. Women's groups have been the ones open to debate but trans groups are the ones who have labeled any dissent as violent bigotry that must be crushed. Also, is being at risk of violence really something we have in common and TRA's main concern, or is that a clever talking point that doesn't actually affect them all that much in the UK, but does affect women? He's bought that even though it's been thoroughly debunked, which means he's still listening to them way more than us. He also seems to think that the end goal after "reasonable debate" would be for trans groups to get everything they're currently pushing for, which is the destruction of women's (and children's, and LGB) rights and spaces, so like... NO.

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

is being at risk of violence really something we have in common

When TRA and "TERF" together in one room, they both are at risk of violence, just on the different sides of that violence.

[–]greenish[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Not sure what you mean. What violence have feminists ever perpetrated towards TRAs? They regularly threaten us with violence (often sexualized), while we don't threaten them, just say things they don't like and wish to silence, and they sometimes carry through to actual violence.

[–]grixit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They meant that "TERFs" are at risk of being victims of violence and "TRAs" are a risk of being perpetrators. That's why "different sides of that violence".

[–]MezozoicGay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly this.