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[–]firebird 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

She found that doctors often argued that patients implicitly consented to being enlisted in medical teaching when visiting a teaching hospital, or that consent for one gynecological procedure encompassed consent for any additional, related exams.

This is nonsense. I'm not American, and where I live I've met plenty of doctors who made it a point to get everyone's consent before students got involved. Sometimes to the point that it got difficult to actually have patients the students could train with because the patients either said no or the doctors themselves already decided that bringing in students for certain patients wasn't a good idea. I have yet to meet a student who made an issue out of this, the culture is mostly even one where patients who volunteer are thanked afterwards. And everyone is aware that when a patient doesn't want you there, you get kicked out of the room.

I'm still very much aware that not every doctor over here is like that, and some show horrible disrespect towards their patients rights and wishes, but I just wanted to show that it's absolute nonsense to act like "this is just the way things go and have to go".

[–]SharpTomorrow 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I mean, it's literally the definition of rape, she was raped. i don't understand how it is possible, in USA today, to allow doctors to rape their patients.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some time ago, when there were only a few articles about this, I found a discussion in a doctors' forum where they justified it by saying it was in a teaching hospital so by just by going there people were "consenting" to this. It's a government supported hospital so they need to pay something. Even in the NYT comments, there was one with this view. Nevermind the statistics showing that most people expect student doctors to hang around watching and are not aware that this could be done to women under anesthesia. Anyone who thinks this way definitely shouldn't be a doctor.

[–]dandeliondynasty 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ew this is such a violation, I feel so sorry for these women.