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[–]TeaAndCigarettes 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Rose of Dawn and Blaire White are pretty reasonable in my opinion. They seem to understand that women are (or should be) a protected minority class who have created their own private spaces because men have shown repeatedly for thousands of years that they do not respect women's autonomy or privacy.

To be frank, I really don't mind sharing a space with someone like Blaire. She uses private spaces in changing areas and stuff like that because she understands that her...well. Parts. Might cause some discomfort. Not to mention they're pretty much all the way transitioned save for the ol snip snip and I can deal with that.

It just really awful that it's pretty much on a case by case basis because as a woman you really can't know which natal male is a threat and which isn't.

[–]MarkTwainiac 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But public policy and law isn't based on the personal feelings of you, me or any one individual. None of us is an exemplar of everyone who shares immutable characteristics that are protected by law.

No one woman or small handful of women have the right to give away the hard-won rights of all girls and women across the board to sex specific spaces, services and sports because you personally "really don't mind sharing." Women's and girls' rights and protections do not belong to you, so it's not up to you decide whether or not to get rid of them for everyone else.

Fact is, millions of girls and women would not want to share intimate spaces with men like Rose of D or BW, though many of us would happily share drinks, meals, rideshares, convos and so on with them.

Just because you and some other women say you're okay with it - apparently because you believe that it's possible to "all the way transition" from one sex to the other - doesn't mean that all girls and young women across the board should lose their right not to have to deal with guys - with or without dicks - in the loos, changing rooms, showers, saunas, hospital wards, refuges, shelters, clinics, prisons, and sports meant and purpose-built exclusively for females.

The sorts of spaces, provisions and programs that you are willing to open up to men who perform femininity did not magically arise out of the blue. Women of earlier generations had to fight like hell to obtain and build sex specific spaces, provisions and services to meet the needs of female people in the first place. There were a host of sound reasons for establishing these spaces and provisions, and there's a host of sound reasons for keeping them now.

You acknowledge that someone like BW in female spaces

Might cause some discomfort

to other girls and women. But you discount and blithely wave away the legitimate, often deep discomfort that BW will and does cause to female people in female spaces so as to prioritize the "right" of a man who acts "girly" to go wherever he wants because apparently to you boys' and men's comfort outweighs girls' and women's discomfort.

Both Rose of D and BW believe that men should be allowed to access female spaces based on how well they ape sexist stereotypes of femininity. They believe that men who wear makeup, fake nails, "girly clothes," have balloons of gel or fluid implanted into their chests, get facial surgeries, wave their hands about, speak in high registers and generally act like drag queens have "earned" what they call "passing privilege" - and that this privilege gives them the right to access female spaces and services. You seem to agree with them. But many girls and women - and men too - do not.

I have no personal animus towards either BW or RoD; in fact, they seem like decent chaps, and I view them both pretty favorably overall. But I take umbrage at their sexism and their embrace of misogynistic sex stereotypes. I find their ideas about what being a woman means, involves and is all about to be shallow and offensively dehumanizing to those of us who actually are female. But then maybe because I've birthed and raised young men of around their age, I have little patience for the arrogance of misogynistic young male blowhards whether they "present" as macho hooligans or high femme female impersonators.

The bottom line is, whilst devoting so much of their time and energy focused on trying to appear and come off as feminine, and to speak as and for women, these guys forgot to do one simple thing: ask women. Hmm, wonder why? I think it's because they don't see us as full humans whose rights and viewpoints matter as much as their own. In fact, these guys are so besotted by their own reflections so caught up in their LARPing, they don't seem to see us actual flesh and blood women at all.

If these fellas had bothered to ask the sex they want to be, I think they would've found that the majority of girls and women would say NO!

[–]meranii 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, plus I'm thinking the more extreme TRAs are basically the way how these more mild and reasonable-sounding TRA make headway in getting what they want, people are inclined to believe giving in to their demands is a compromise that satisfies everyone... while they're still invading female spaces, speaking over women and stereotyping us. They're just being a little "nicer" about it.