"Santa Claus is real to the kids. Don't ruin it for them or that makes you an asshole" How the trans community's libfem allies view us in a nutshell, even though we're right

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It's an unspoken expectation in America that you're supposed to pretend Santa is real around children whether you have children or not. If you don't play along, you'll have a lot of angry people on your ass. You're supposed to play along with the delusion because "It makes kids happy." You're supposed to join in on the game of make believe and stick to the narrative, no matter how much you have to lie or twist things around to keep the lie going. It's such an ingrained part of American culture that you're SUPPOSED to lie.

The trans community sees gender critical who talk about the reality of birth sex the same way people view adults who "ruin Santa" for kids...as assholes and party poopers.

There are even videos on Youtube of parents threatening to beat people up over ruining the Santa surprise. It's crazy.

Obviously the trans community's lies are far more harmful, but if you've ever wondered how they can respond so aggressively to objective, rudimentary facts, take a look at how pissed off people get over Santa being ruined.

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[–]materialrealityplz 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've begun to think of this problem of feelings over facts as a general problem that afflicts empathetic people who use social media too much.

It's all about someone's "personal sacred truth" and feelings, than it is about reality, facts, data, etc. Doesn't just have to be trans, any social justice issue has this problem.

[–]lefterfield 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I can remember when I stopped believing in Santa, and I think parents are blinded by nostalgia and childhood idealism if they think most kids really care that much. My reaction was something like 'yeah, that makes sense,' and then never thought about it again. But then, my parents never pushed it on me. I don't see the value in telling children something that you know to be false. I don't go around telling kids Santa is fake - I also never confirm it. I don't understand the point of trying to convince anyone, especially a child that trusts you, that something is literally true when you know it's not. It seems mean, and we can appreciate myths for their lessons and entertainment value without believing in them.

Same with transgenderism. I don't go around "misgendering"(aka correctly sexing) trans people for the fun of it, but I'm not going to pretend that I think they've changed anything when they put on their costume. It's nonsense. Just because something makes you happy, that doesn't make it good for you. And I think it's far more cruel to lie to people and pretend to be nice to them than to be direct about what you really think. It's patronizing, disrespectful to their intelligence and emotional maturity, equating them to kids who still believe in Santa that we must protect.

And sure, most of them act that way, but they're still adults and should be treated as such.

[–]darkwolf131 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I've noticed the same thing. I've never seen a kid too upset about realizing the reality about santa (nor do I remember myself or any of my peers being shook up about it) but I've met plenty of parents who act like it's the end of the world when their kid stops believing. My mom still brings it up to this day how angry she was when I told her I'd found out at school (from my friends, not an adult) that santa isn't real.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My dad had kind of a breakdown when I figured it out on my own and I felt so guilty for hurting his feelings (I was about five) that I pretended to change my mind for a couple o years.

[–]purrfect 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I was one of those annoying kids, that ruined the Santa myth to my parents. I mean, kids do watch TV and talk to other kids. It's not like the information about Santa not being real is not out there. It is and it's completely accessible. So I told my parents Santa wasn't real and I knew it was them giving us presents 😅 People overestimate the trauma kids experience by learning truths. It's completely possible to know Santa isn't real and enjoy participating in the tradition.

[–]artetolife 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right! Magic gift man is a nice folk story for kids under 5, but if you want a child capable of thinking for themselves then they are going to figure out the truth very quickly, just like they learn that dragons and mermaids or whatever aren't real.

[–]DistantGlimmer 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, they infantilize trans people and treat them like small fragile children who can't cope with reality. It's like that patronizing white-savior type racism. Actually far more transphobic in a "benevolent" way than typical GC attitudes towards trans people.

[–]RestingWitchface 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My parents never brought us up to believe in Santa Claus because they believed it's lying, and they wanted us to be able to trust that what they tell us is true. We would play pretend about Santa Claus, but we all knew it was only pretend. Now I'm actually quite thankful to them for that, even though many people react with horror when I tell them about it. I like to think it has given me the ability to think critically and not believe everything I hear. And funnily enough, if I ever told another child that Santa Claus wasn't real, they just refused to believe me. Nothing was spoiled for anyone.

[–]Terfest_Shadow 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Screaming, this is so accurate

[–]11mile_house 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Eventually, the kids find out it wasn't real and are disappointed they were lied to.

[–]CleverNickName 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, they think the fat jolly man in bright gaudy colours who breaks physics in order to bring presents to good children is real

but look at you funny when you try to explain that Saint Nicholas was a real bishop(?) in Asia Minor.

I feel there is a parallel in there somewhere...

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The allies of the trans community behave exactly like this.

We are the spoilers of the fantasy. That makes us unpopular and hated by many people, even though at the end of the day we're right. Being right doesn't always make someone well liked.