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[–]Spikygrasspod 51 insightful - 2 fun51 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I like how they frame it as a ban of people competing in the category 'consistent with their gender identity' rather than 'inconsistent with their sex'.

There are no 'gender identity' categories in sports. Otherwise they'd need to check the gender identities of everyone competing. And I guess we GC types wouldn't be allowed to compete at all, since many of us deny having gender identities at all.

[–]sisterinsomnia 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is such an important point! The separate categories are for two different body types and not for two different sets of gender identities. Indeed, separate bathroom/toilet facilities are also based on the differences in the two body types.

[–]Spikygrasspod 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yep, it always helps to look at the reasons why women might need something separate. Sometimes it's about bodies, sometimes it's about socialisation, sometimes it's about class. Sometimes it's about all of those together. When transgendered males say they need or deserve access to women's spaces, because they're "women", they're using a new definition of "womanhood" that is totally incapable of justifying those spaces in the first place. They hope you won't notice the mix up, though.

[–]MezozoicGay 14 insightful - 6 fun14 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

There 100 genders, so must be 100 leagues in sport for each.

[–]sisterinsomnia 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The writer of this piece did zero research on this topic, elevating a very small study done by a trans advocate, while ignoring the two recent studies which demonstrate that the one year on estrogen does pretty much nothing to decrease the advantage of going through male puberty.

https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202005.0226/v1

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/09/26/782557.full.pdf

[–]sisterinsomnia 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I should have given the published version of the Swedish study which is the second link above. This is the published version

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31794605/

[–]Shinjin_Nana 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They have right to compete against their biological sex. Trans don't need more rights.

[–]11mile_house 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What they want is the privilege to also compete against women or use women’s spaces.

[–]Shinjin_Nana 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Because competing against their physical peers doesn't validate their laydee idetuhtee.

[–]slushpilot 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting how the main photo at the top is perfectly posed and lit "just so", to elicit sympathy and cast doubt. He really does look like a girl there.

Then you scroll down to the picture of him running, and it's from so far away... might as well be photographing the landscape. But still, you can absolutely tell that's a male frame!

[–]Susiesmum 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The picture of Andraya Yearwood isn't so convincing, though. Maybe the author thinks Black women are all masculine. Yearwood looks like a longhaired boy right down to his five o'clock shadow.

[–]Cacator 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The comment section is gold btw. People refuse to be gaslit on this issue. Oh, and here is a better picture of Lindsay in running mode: https://gaynation.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/lindsay-hecox.jpg

[–]sisterinsomnia 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The piece is an opinion piece, but written as if it is neutral reporting. The only piece of research Stubbs, the writer, 'managed' to find is a five-year-old study done by a transgender person, while there are two very recent properly done studies. The difference is in the findings, of course.

[–]Riothamus 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck this guy. Many men remember being pretty good at certain sports in high school and unknowingly beating the girls' national records while placing competitively-but-not-elite in their events. As a scrawny 17-year-old I beat the girls' then-record in the 5k and didn't even realize it til my time was tied by a girl five years later. She made national news. I got 25th that race in a state qualifying meet.

Had the top 25 runners all decided we identified as women that day it would not have been a banner day for women's athletics. It would have just been 25 teenage boys being attention whore assholes.

This dude has always had the right to compete. As a male. He's fighting for the privilege to dominate.

[–]Nona_Biba 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They've fucking got the right to compete (if they're good enough to qualify) JUST NOT AS THE OPPOSITE SEX

[–]MarkTwainiac 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Can someone post the text or archive the article? I cancelled my WaPo sub a while back, and am now blocked from accessing even an occasional article. Thanks

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Ublock does the trick for wapo and nytimes.

Here's the article

When she arrived at Boise State’s campus this past fall, Lindsay Hecox finally felt like herself. She had come out as a trans woman a few months earlier and was excited to begin her new life as a college freshman. She quickly made friends, formed a club and started earning the best grades of her academic career.

Yet she missed the competitive running of her high school days, and so as her second semester started in the spring, Hecox thought about trying out for the university’s cross-country team. The 19-year-old asked an assistant coach for the typical training plan for team members, and after running the recommended mileage most days along the Boise River, Hecox worked up the courage to tell the coaches she planned to join the team once her sophomore year began.

But Hecox was also unsure if she would get that chance. In March, Idaho became the first state in the country to bar transgender girls such as Hecox from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity. House Bill 500, known as the Fairness in Women’s Sports Act, states “athletic teams or sports designated for females, women, or girls shall not be open to students of the male sex,” and also requires that girls and women have genital and hormonal testing if their biological sex is challenged.

Idaho’s new law, coupled with another recently passed state law banning transgender people from changing their birth certificates to match their gender identity, is emblematic of the legislation challenging transgender rights across the country over the past year. Republican lawmakers, bolstered by the Trump administration, have specifically homed in on transgender youth issues, proposing bills in several states to restrict medical treatments for transgender youths.

That push has also been concentrated in the sports landscape: More than a dozen states have recently introduced legislation to ban transgender athletes from competition, including in Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Ohio and Tennessee, where lawmakers have argued that transgender athletes are gaining an unfair advantage in sports at all levels at the expense of cisgender girls and women.

“It’s reflective of the fact that we have an election coming up; it’s reflective of our country’s leadership right now,” said Chris Mosier, a transgender advocate and triathlete. “It is intended to drive a wedge in the issues and debates of the Equality Act.”

[–]-thedarkhorse- 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The comments seem to be mostly gender critical which is a relief.

[–]Riothamus 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Men as a whole do not stand for this shit. Every guy who has ever seriously competed in sports took dominating non-phenomenal girls for granted.

These TIMs are pathetic predatory cowards who deserve nothing more than contempt and derision.

[–]Hard_headed_woman 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The comments are very encouraging. Although readers of the WP skew to the left, the vast majority of commentators are against TIMs participating in women's sports.