TRAs still trying to shut down r/detrans. Forced them to remove long-time mod, DetransIS

submitted by Terfenclaw from self.GenderCritical

After seeing a post about r/detrans removing a mod, I did some searching on twitter to find out what happened. The way these TRAs bully and silence any sort of opposition is so fucked up.

Here is the announcement on detrans: https://snew.notabug.io/r/detrans/comments/hxqxtx/a_new_policy_has_been_put_into_place/

And here are some tweets from DetransIS: https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexAlicit/status/1287083957239066630

Due to recent events, I have chosen to have my position as a moderator of r/detrans relinquished after discussion with the team for the future and safety of detransitioners using that space. I refuse to let them take down the sub because of me.

This was not an easy decision to make but I made it because I know they planned on filing an in-depth report on how corrupt moderation of r/detrans was based on stalking and outside sources. So I've given up my position to protect the subreddit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexAlicit/status/1287139043747213313

Ended up discovering that I was being stalked on discord and they were putting together a report to claim moderation on r/detrans was corrupt. As a result it was decided that I step down so the subreddit isn't taken down because of me and rants that were taken out of context.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexAlicit/status/1287808059176345601

Today a moderator of r/detrans responded to my question if I'd be permitted to post my story. Needless to say, I feel in that same place of complete hatred and disdain for a group I was in when this all first happened. I proposed stepping down myself for the safety of the sub.

The moderator in question told me that since the subreddit has gone the self-censorship route I am no longer welcome on the subreddit. I was told specifically that since I am a documented transphobe, they could be accused of harboring and giving hate a platform.

As a result if I post there, whatever I post will be left so long as it follows subreddit policy since I myself am detrans but I will be permanently banned. I really hope this sacrifice was for the good in the end because you have no idea how much this hurts.

They claim to be so oppressed and so powerless against "hate" yet they control the narrative through fear and manipulation. My own friends have to basically abandon me to keep the support group we helped with the original purpose it was. I -hate- the trans movement.

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[–]gordoidona 105 insightful - 1 fun105 insightful - 0 fun106 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They won't be happy until everyone who slightly disagrees with them is silenced. It's depressing.

[–]MadLass 61 insightful - 1 fun61 insightful - 0 fun62 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Oh and they are REALLY narrowing in on detrans now and constantly try to promote their "version". I have never posted there and never would since it isnt my space but it extremely upsets me that people arent allowed to voice their own frustrations and fears with eachother. Sometimes its therapeutic just to get it all out especially with people who understand.

[–]Riothamus 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cults hate apostates far more than they hate the nonbelievers.

[–][deleted] 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They won't be happy until everyone who slightly disagrees with them is silenced. It's depressing.

And nobody is stopping them, which makes it worse. Tech is invading every aspect of our lives, and psychopaths are in control of it all.

[–]Literallyawoman 70 insightful - 1 fun70 insightful - 0 fun71 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TRA are creepy losers. I hope detrans people can find support irl since they can’t have any space online without being brigaded, bullied, and stalked. Awful.

[–]dandeliondynasty 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She sounds heartbroken :( Detrans is such a small community and uniquely challenging experience, I hope someday they can have less policed & targeted spaces.

[–]denverkris 31 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The fact that they are so fragile and feel so compelled to silence any debate is proof enough that their bullshit is suspect.

[–]PassionateIntensity 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't mistake their psychopathy for fragility.

[–]Jksmiddlefinger 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is an outrage, bunch of creeps silencing voices that contradict their agenda. There needs to be a safe space created for detransitioners here and on the new GC site being built.

[–]worried19 30 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's sickening. Horrible that she had to step down for the good of the sub. Reddit is pretty much the only platform for detransitioners, and they're desperately in need of a space where they can connect with each other and get support.

It's evil the way these activists have targeted such a vulnerable population.

[–]denverkris 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Pretty soon reddit is going to be nothing but tim's, tra's, handmaidens, and "queer" straights including ultra woke lefty bearded bros. everyone else should just abandoned ship.

[–]Coconaut 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm straight, but I am concerned for the LGB movement. They are becoming a minority in their own movement, overwhelmed by the TQ+++. Silenced from talking about LGB issues within their own groups.

[–]denverkris 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you. We (the lgb) are concerned as well.

[–]moody_ape 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

same here! i feel great sympathy for the LGB community, specially the lesbians, who are the most vunerable of the three when it comes to TRAs.

last friday i saw a live on GNC centric youtube channel (it's a series called Post Gender Funk and it's brilliant!) where Ben and her guests talked about ADHD and at some point of the conversation they said that butch lesbians are disappearing because they are transitioning. well, they could be trans, fine. but the thing is: there is a huge pressure on butch lesbians to transition. so they have misogyny and lesbophobia (both internalized and external) to deal with and than a bunch of people they trust and even people they don't know that well come up and say "hey, you're clearly a transman. when are you going to transition?". how is that not confusing? why can't they simplpy exist as butch lesbians?

[–]sisterinsomnia 28 insightful - 3 fun28 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

This sounds very much like a religious cult going after the heretics.

[–]Lyssa 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Because it is.

[–]moody_ape 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

that's unacceptable. they should just leave that shit hole and create a new space for them, free of TRAs. actually, they should create more than one new safe space. Having just one place to go for support in not a good idea, there should be more options.

[–]Lyssa 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, but I think it's important to have at least an outpost (if heavily moderated) on mainstream platforms as well? Nobody questioning their own trans identity and community is going to leave it in one big leap but little by little. As sad as it is but I think it's important for them to stay on Reddit. But yes, they should build an alternative. And that the gender critical platform in the making should have a space for detransitioners.

[–]Realwoman 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Disgusting

[–]denverkris 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Has anyone invited them over here and to the gc secret society?

[–]moody_ape 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what gc secret society? you mean this sub? i want in the gc secret society hahaha

[–]DistantGlimmer 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

This is really sad. I really enjoyed talking to DetransIS on the debate sub. She is a very intelligent and moderate person who I learned a lot from , certainly not a "transphobe".

This is just such creeping authoritarianism. A huge web site effectively being moderated by a tiny group of bullies with a political agenda who just make up whatever the hell they want to smear people who they disagree with and silence vulnerable groups at will. It just makes me sick to my stomach. I really hope Reddit burns. I've never wanted a website to fail so badly based on the way they treat people.

[–]divingrightintowork 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

ohhi nice to see you here <3 yeah we keep in touch on discord but it's awful :( She cares so goddamn much about IS/women's/teens issues.

[–]DistantGlimmer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Hey...Nice to see you too. Does the community on Discord know about our new debate sub on Saidit? We've been trying to rebuild the old group on here but it's currently so small. So many people I miss talking to. Would be nice if we could get more of the old crowd to migrate (I know here are some problematic things about this site but I haven't seen many right-wingers wandering into the debate sub).

I probably should try to come into Discord more often as well, it doesn't run very well on my computer so I get annoyed with it.

[–]divingrightintowork 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Awww. I'm pretty sure they know it's up, but maybe you should head over there and try to drum up some cross platform discussion :-) discord really is not the best for dialogue and discussion

Out of curiosity, does saidit as a whole have much of a trans presence?

[–]DistantGlimmer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah Discord reminds me of when I used to chat on IRC years ago which is fine I guess but not really the same as our discussion/debate group.

I don't know about the trans presence on Saidit as I only read GC and GCdebates. There are a couple of transmed typed in the debate group but it's even more heavily tilted GC than the old one. I don't think anyone in the group will actually defend queer theory positions which is an obvious problem. I don't know how we attract them (or truthfully if I even would want to as I'm kind of done going back and forth with actual TRAs). A few more moderates/transmeds would be good though.)

[–]divingrightintowork 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Awww apparently you're on one of the GCdQT discords, and have been pinged! But u/Mr_dork (how do you tag people here?) also misses you and wanted me to play telephone :p He had some really nice things to say about you, you should hop on and see them but basically that you're like, his life goals male. <3

Yeah I suspect this sub on saidit.it will be an interesting discussion place, but a lot slower, with less TRAs to inspire good responses to. C'est la vie. Are you joining ovarit? I signed up the other day.

[–]DistantGlimmer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Aw, that's really nice of him to say. I feel much the same about him. He expresses himself really well. Much better than I often do I think. Please pass on my best wishes if you are talking to him. I'll try to go into the DC in the next couple of days and say hi to people at least.

Yeah I joined Ovarit yesterday but have only glanced at it. It seems like a nice site though. It seems like TRAs have gone totally scorched earth against GC which makes it hard to have real debate groups.. I feel bad for the more reasonable trans people who actually want to talk to us in good faith. Hopefully, our group here or some other space can be a place for that, assuming we can let them know about it somehow.

[–]divingrightintowork 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do ping me when you finally get onto the discord! And yeah omg did you see this on twitter - https://twitter.com/lacroicsz/status/1288947357393059840 ?

It's... awful - epic - etc.

[–]DistantGlimmer 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That really upset me to read. How could they read that and still say all those things about her? Some of these people are legitimately straight-up evil. As bad as it was for all of us to lose our subs I really still feel worst for the lesbians and detransitioners. they really need those spaces sigh. Can only hope this shit runs its course soon...

[–]GConly 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Detrans know this has been coming for a while. The next step is the approved mod allowing dodgy posts then it will be shut down for hate speech.

We need to prepare a space for them here and to help them relocate.

[–]IAmSatan 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are truly evil narcissist cultists.

[–]Maeven 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Self-censorship seems like giving them what they want

[–]Mr_Dork 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Alex is awesome and this is bullshit. I dont know if we are allowed to name names here or not on some of the meanies responsible. One runs the AHS sub and the woman stalking Alex on discord was a quite rude on the bannedfromgcdebates sub.

The 'good guys' are bullying people and celebrating it.

Alex has said time and again she has left things up she doesn't personally agree with and removed things she does, all in fairness.

No wonder she's pissed at TRA. Alex is an internet buddy and this grinds my gears.

[–]PassionateIntensity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Name them. The TRA that tried to stage a coup of /detrans a couple weeks back was u/Bardfinn. Was this someone else?

[–]Seahorse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They really are full of shit when they say they're concerned about trans people.

Detransitioners are hugely vulnerable people that deserve just as much concern and compassion as trans people.

[–]Mr_Dork 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm still learning ceddit. Sorry. Is posting link to the stalker sub allowed? A mod post 7 hours old says to crossout names and it's still up unedited. Hypocrites.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCynical/comments/hzcvk8/allegedly_transphobic_mod_steps_down_from_detrans/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Edit: it's really nice seeing the names I recognize. I've missed yall and our talks.